From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/58545 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Rychter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus losing information about what has been read Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:13:55 +0900 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1095873360 23947 80.91.229.6 (22 Sep 2004 17:16:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M7083@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Sep 22 19:15:38 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CAAiQ-0000Ab-00 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:15:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CAAhL-0001zI-00; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:14:31 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CAAhC-0001zA-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:14:22 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CAAhB-0003KA-GB for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:14:21 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCA93A0041 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:14:17 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CAAh4-0006ok-00 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:14 +0200 Original-Received: from 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com ([66.27.68.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:14 +0200 Original-Received: from jan by 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:14:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 68 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com X-Spammers-Please: blackholeme@rychter.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qoLpd95B8Zyx4yyMgsljleKo9dk= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58545 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58545 Kevin Greiner: > Ralf Angeli writes: > > * Jan Rychter (2004-09-21) writes: > > > >> [Quoting my post from about 2 weeks ago...] > >>>>>>> "Jan" == Jan Rychter writes: > >> Jan> Ok. My Gnus has just forgotten which articles I have read in some > >> Jan> groups. Again. I have long had the impression that it does that > >> Jan> behind my back sometimes, but I was never sure enough. This time > >> Jan> I'm quite sure, because it has forgotten about roughly 1k > >> Jan> articles. > >> > >> Jan> This seems to happen for me in agentized groups that I read while > >> Jan> unplugged -- after I go online again, the articles are visible as > >> Jan> "unread", again. > >> > >> Jan> I'm using No Gnus 0.3, updated from CVS on Aug 5, under XEmacs -- > >> Jan> but I'm quite sure the problem has been there for quite some time. > >> > >> Jan> Any ideas? > >> > >> I am rather alarmed by the number of responses to this report -- namely: > >> zero. > >> > >> Am I the only one who sees that? > > > > I don't know exactly if it is the same problem, but for me Gnus > > forgets marks with the following usage pattern: > > > > When being online, start Gnus in "Plugged" state (`emacs -f gnus'). > > Download new (nntp) articles with `J s' into the agent. Go into > > "Unplugged" state with `J j'. Read the new articles or mark them as > > read, e.g. with `c y'. Close Gnus with `q y' and close Emacs. Start > > Emacs/Gnus again in "Plugged" state. The read articles will be marked > > unread again. (If it doesn't "work" the first time, maybe try the > > pattern once again.) One can distinguish read articles which are not > > marked as read from really new articles. The latter have an unseen > > mark (`.') in the summary buffer. > > > > Those problems started with the introduction of marks for nntp. > > These problems occur because you are not sync'ing the marks that were > cached in the agent (while unplugged) when you next plug in. What you > have to do is press 'J Y' in the group buffer BEFORE opening a summary > buffer. > > If you don't want to do the 'J Y', update to "No Gnus 0.3, Sept 21". > I just checked in the patch to always bypass the agent when writing > nntp marks. I have just: -- updated from CVS, recompiled, restarted, etc. -- read 2 articles in gmane.emacs.gnus.general while unplugged -- quit Gnus -- restarted XEmacs -- started Gnus (plugged) -- answered 'y' to the question about whether to synchronize marks on news.gmane.org ... and the articles are again not marked read. What's even stranger (for me) is that these 2 articles have disappeared from the cache. I can't read them while unplugged. This is a total showstopper for me. --J.