From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/58888 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jan Rychter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Gnus losing information about what has been read Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:12:49 -0700 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097799272 17859 80.91.229.6 (15 Oct 2004 00:14:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:14:32 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M7426@lists.math.uh.edu Fri Oct 15 02:14:20 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13] ident=mail) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CIFjg-0003CY-00 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:14:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CIFiz-0007qw-00; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:13:37 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1CIFiv-0007qr-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:13:33 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CIFit-0005fi-R0 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:13:31 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203A13A006A for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:13:30 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CIFiq-0004Nn-00 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:13:28 +0200 Original-Received: from 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com ([66.27.68.14]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:13:28 +0200 Original-Received: from jan by 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 02:13:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66-27-68-14.san.rr.com X-Spammers-Please: blackholeme@rychter.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cAhxXaNwolLDS1qozMMBKLO5m/c= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58888 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58888 [...] >> -- I had gnus-agent-synchronize-flags set to nil for some >> reason. Why is that the default? :-O Kevin> It was originally nil then changed to ask. Unfortunitely, that Kevin> introduced a host of problems as the sync code simply didn't Kevin> work as intended. While I was still trying to track down bugs, Kevin> Lars reviewed the situation and noticed that we were defaulting Kevin> to an interactive prompt. That's actually against gnus Kevin> conventions so he had to choose between enabling, or disabling, Kevin> buggy code. >> -- setting it to 'ask and replying 'y' to the question about flag >> synchronization fixed the problem for me, >> >> -- so I've now set it to t. I feel smarter. >> >> -- perusing the Fine Manual as to what this flag actually does led >> me to the section about IMAP. I've never used IMAP and I do not >> intend to. I mostly use NNTP. >> >> -- nowhere in the Fine Manual does it say that if I don't read about >> IMAP and gnus-agent-synchronize-flags, the information about NNTP >> articles that I've read offline will be forgotten and lost. >> >> I submit that Gnus defaults to the wrong thing here, because I >> seriously doubt whether forgetting about articles that one has read >> offline is something anyone would want by default. Kevin> I agree. I'll change it to true (t) once I gain a little more Kevin> confidence in the current implementation. Thanks for the clarifications. Perhaps the handling of NNTP and IMAP should be separated here? I can imagine why it is useful to either synchronize marks or not when using an IMAP server, but I can't think of a case where I would want to forget about NNTP articles that I've read offline. These really are different issues. --J.