From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/85310 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Davis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mutt/Gnus hybrid for mail? Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87egs952jy.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org> <87r3w93erc.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418084162 1111 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 00:16:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 00:16:02 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M33554@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Dec 09 01:15:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8T5-0007DN-CQ for ding-account@gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:15:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8Sa-0000TM-Vx; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:15:25 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8SZ-0000T8-FH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:15:23 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8SX-0007Jr-TH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:15:23 -0600 Original-Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy8SW-0000md-7p for ding@gnus.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 01:15:20 +0100 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625982041A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:15:19 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:15:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=x-sasl-enc:from:to:subject:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=eauiUYz82wFsFsoHmMYbAd IEz8M=; b=lCGTcKncgLlPPiXnMqdvzLpNtIEx4nELL7iqm8zHJ46q4UiO2gzSOd pI1P4D7rbivyqt68IEfz901OfiX+oXWDNAMX+ImlHrjCm9O/HEYB2tZw0QL2w1Q6 Uiyul3cvYu6GjOVtqCwCR0MMhPfR/UY4lNoKWS5a/IczM1rBO/VKA= X-Sasl-enc: loMSVF/31UOwbS+BDcUpwaUDRFkY7tevjBRDFJIZ2HKx 1418084119 Original-Received: from PFDStudio-Air.home (unknown [173.76.32.54]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 11977C0027E; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:15:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87r3w93erc.fsf@micropit.roche-blanche.homenet.org> ("Peter \=\?utf-8\?Q\?M\=C3\=BCnster\=22's\?\= message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2014 00:25:59 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (darwin) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:85310 Archived-At: Peter M=C3=BCnster writes: > On Mon, Dec 08 2014, Peter Davis wrote: > >> Also, when I delete/expire a message, mutt automatically displays the >> next unread message in the folder. Gnus requires another keystroke. (Not >> a big deal, but annoying.) > > This sets the expire mark with the "d" key and goes to next message: > Thanks, Peter. I'll give that a try. > >> I have not managed to get gnus to display previously read messages in a >> thread automatically, > > You mean, display all messages of a thread, when it has at least one new > message? I'm sure, that this is possible and you would get a solution > here... > > If you want it with a key-press: it's "A T". > Yes the 'A T' sequence works, but it should be possible to have the whole thread included for each new message when I open the group/folder. The gnus-fetch-old-headers is supposed to do that, but I have not managed to make it work. Also, mutt maintains a header cache so that this is very fast. I'm not aware of a way to do this in gnus. > > Elisp is very useful, not only in Gnus. And you can get help here. > Granted. I wish I had time to learn it. > >> Anyway, customatizations are unlikely to improve performance. Mutt >> seems faster at downloading messages, etc. > > Perhaps. But the Mutt-macros are *very* limited and when you want to > display something else than plain text, Mutt needs external programs, > where the key-bindings are completely different and you can't control Mutt > anymore... True. I do have some mutt macros that pipe messages to perl scripts to do what I need. But yes, displaying HTML, etc. is very limited, which was why I started this thread. (BTW, I think gnus uses w3m for HTML, but not with the -dump switch.) > After having switched from Mutt to Gnus, I've just thought: > "Why haven't I done that earlier...?!" I've used a slew of mail clients over the years, but have yet to find one that has it all. Probably gnus is the most customizable, and therefore potentially the best, but it takes a fair bit of work to get everything set. I'm always concerned that when I move to another machine, I'll have to figure it out all over again. > I'm sure, that you'll spend more time integrating Mutt into Emacs the > way you like, than reading the Gnus manual. Probably. That's why I was hoping to find an existing solution. But maybe I should just stick with gnus and gradually figure out how to make it work the way I want. -pd