From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75400 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tommy Kelly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Just shoot me now (was Re: What's wrong with this fancy split?) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:53:07 -0600 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293022434 28623 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2010 12:53:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:53:54 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23752@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 22 13:53:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOCU-0006dk-23 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:53:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOC9-0004zh-Ej; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:53:29 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOC7-0004zQ-DM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:53:27 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOC5-00046w-Hd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 06:53:26 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOC3-0000xI-Bs for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:53:23 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVOC2-0006OP-IG for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:53:22 +0100 Original-Received: from cpe-70-112-150-104.austin.res.rr.com ([70.112.150.104]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:53:22 +0100 Original-Received: from tommy.kelly by cpe-70-112-150-104.austin.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:53:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpe-70-112-150-104.austin.res.rr.com User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xTyjkOlm0unVVG0BRL9pfCkyq9o= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75400 Archived-At: Andreas Schwab writes: >> 8. Google for "emacs lisp syntax table" > > Did you know that Emacs comes with a searchable manual? Absolutely. I use it often. And as Reiner pointed out, the answer to my question can in fact be figured out from the manual. So where does that leave us? A user who knows about and uses the searchable manual; who has shown willing to dive into the code and to extend his searching beyond the manual; who in general acknowledges that one doesn't use emacs or Gnus if what you want in your editor is a set of clicky buttons and an eye-candy-filled GUI, IS STILL HAVING DIFFICULTY. Either the user is thick, or the documentation is thick. Thing is -- so let's call a spade a spade -- I so *know* I'm not thick that I wouldn't offer that as a choice if I thought I was the problem. It's the documentation. It's fine for you -- but you're not the audience, or at least not the whole audience. Again, we're in Open Source land, and Lars, you, and the rest of the coders are just Cool Dudes to whom I'm grateful for the work you've put into this thing. I'm not *expecting* anything. Look at it this way. I'm merely telling you all this to save you reading "the code" -- being the enormous literature on psychology, learning styles, philosophy of language, and, to a good extent, literate programming. But, if you prefer, see Tractatus Logic-Philosophicus. ;-) Tommy