From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57069 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonas Steverud Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Terminology Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:28:01 +0200 Organization: The Deciples of Albericht Nibelungen Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4nvfkkvodw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n7jwhaug6.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <4noeps9ehx.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <87d666l9hx.fsf@uwo.ca> <87y8otogpa.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <87ad19faqt.fsf@uwo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082320084 12825 80.91.224.253 (18 Apr 2004 20:28:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5609@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Apr 18 22:27:55 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFItP-00027T-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:27:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFItC-000380-00; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:27:42 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFIt8-00037v-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:27:38 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BFIt6-00081g-Qq for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:27:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com (mxfep02.bredband.com [195.54.107.73]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C233A01FF for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:27:34 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from c-ec5372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net ([213.114.83.154] [213.114.83.154]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040418202733.SXTE28534.mxfep02.bredband.com@c-ec5372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net> for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:27:33 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:16:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110001 (No Gnus v0.1) Emacs/21.3 (darwin) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57069 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57069 Simon Josefsson writes: > Jonas Steverud writes: [...] >> Suggested new terms/definitions: >> Visited: A article that the user has seen before; read, ticked, >> dormant, marked as expireable, ... (Other criteria?) > > I'm not sure we need to introduce more terms... (But we could keep > the term "visited" around for when we need a new class of read marks.) The main idea was not to introduce new terms but rename old, confusing ones. The name "visited" I got from the Emacs terminology of visited files. A consistent terminology that I personally like.=20 >> Read: An article that has been marked as killed, ancient, read in the >> na=EFve sense; i.e. actually *read*, ... I.e. not ticked etc. > > There is a Gnus mark called "read". If you tick an active article, it > will become read automatically. Same for if you mark an article as > expired, etc. OK, I didn't know ticked articles counted as read. Doesn't matter much, remove "I.e. not ticked etc." from my text above. :-) >> Unvisted or Unread: Replaces Unseen which I find confusing - an >> article that is killed and yanked from the >> summary buffer is in my view unseen. > > "Unread" is not a proper Gnus mark. It might help understanding if > you think of "unread" as an implicit mark, i.e. one that holds if > nothing else holds. So an article can't be marked both expired and > unread, as unread isn't a mark. "unread" is just an absence of marks. > Of course, the exception to that rule is the "unseen" mark. I didn't talk of specific marks that Gnus keeps track of, I was more concerned about the terminology - classifications of articles. Previous mails has indicated that there are some confusion regarding what we call an article - sometimes regardless of the actual marks of it and sometimes the marks are considered - and I just tries to see if we can do something about that confusion. Renaming some of the terms might help. >> Unseen: (?) Articles that are unvisited but not shown in the summary >> buffer, usually expunged articles due to scoring. > > "unseen" is another Gnus mark, I didn't know that. Makes things a little more complicated then. --=20 ( http://hem.bredband.net/steverud/ ! Wei Wu Wei ) ( Meaning of U2 Lyrics, Roleplaying ! To Do Without Do )