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>>"K" == Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

    K> And doing `S l 8 RET' on a group makes it display with `K', and
    K> it doesn't show up after `9 L'.  It doesn't show up in `A k' or
    K> `A z', either.

I think there are some additional subtle features of working with
zombie groups.  I noted them and set them aside until I resolved the
major levels & listings problem (which I have, see post and copy to
you).

Perhaps think your steps above through again, knowing what you do now,
that what's key is whether the group is activated.

What I've noticed:

1) you can't `catch up' a zombie group

2) if you kill a zombie group with C-k and try to yank it (suppose you
   want to move it around), you can't yank it.

I have not decided whether these are bugs or features.