From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/10349 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steven L Baur Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Gnus Groupies (was Re: Organization (was: Earn No Big Bucks)) Date: 23 Mar 1997 18:21:23 -0800 Message-ID: References: <199703232032.PAA17811@homer.sccon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035150234 23832 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:43:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA32114 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:21:30 -0800 Original-Received: from altair.xemacs.org (steve@xemacs.miranova.com [206.190.83.19]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:09:51 +0100 Original-Received: (from steve@localhost) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22733; Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:21:27 -0800 Mail-Copies-To: never Original-To: ding@ifi.uio.no X-Url: http://www.miranova.com/%7Esteve/ X-Face: #!T9!#9s-3o8)*uHlX{Ug[xW7E7Wr!*L46-OxqMu\xz23v|R9q}lH?cRS{rCNe^'[`^sr5" f8*@r4ipO6Jl!:Ccqp:9I OSS'2{-)-4wBnVeg0S\O4Al@)uC[pD|+ X-Attribution: sb In-Reply-To: Hrvoje Niksic's message of 24 Mar 1997 02:07:46 +0100 Original-Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.36/XEmacs 20.1(beta10) Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10349 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:10349 Hrvoje Niksic writes: > What are/were `Gnus Groupies'? >>From the Gnus Memory division (why doesn't nnweb find this?): Subject: Re: about message mode From: Richard Mlynarik Date: 1996/06/25 Message-Id: Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus [More Headers] From: Sudish Joseph Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Date: 20 Jun 1996 10:18:57 -0400 ssjaaa@uta.fi writes: > What I mean here: it is important that users can get the "same old > look and feel", at least in some extent, otherwise the shift > is too radical to accept. Well, if said user has code that dabbles in the internals of GNUS, there's no way to support her. Hmm, or maybe we might just package 4.1 along with ding? :-) mail-yank-ignored-headers, mail-yank-prefix, mail-setup-hook, mail-default-headers, mail-citation-hook, are hardly "the internals of GNUS": they're variables which have existed and have been advertised as existing for more than a *decade*, but message.el is apparently too wonderful and too new and too clever and too clean to bother with details such as accomodating actual users (as opposed to beta-testers and other gnus groupies who have nothing better to do than mess with their init files all day long.) There are about a dozen other such variables. Nor is send-mail-function an `internal' function. Meanwhile, the new junk (message-citation-line-function, gnus-message-archive-method, message-max-buffers) introduces worse behaviour in incompatible fashion; such things should be turned off by default. At least we can be thankful that message.el deigns to look at -one- predefined variable -- mail-header-separator ! I was pretty happy with the amazing job done with gnus 5.1, and in particular with its upward-compatibility with old gnus (apart from the hopeless, tasteless face fuckage induced by custom.el.) 5.2 is a big step back in accomodation to users. -- Richard (I use it anyway. What choice is there?) _________________________________________________________________ -- steve@miranova.com baur Unsolicited commercial e-mail will be billed at $250/message.