From: Per Bothner <per@bothner.com>
Cc: per@bothner.com
Subject: some mail annoyances
Date: 21 Jun 1999 17:36:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2k8sx6ph3.fsf@magnus.bothner.com> (raw)
I switched to pgnus not too long ago, and it works fairly well for me.
However, there are some user interface issues that ae rather
annoying. (I'm currently using gnus 0.84.)
* If in the Summary group, I do M-g in my mail group to check for new
mail, after new mail is read, point does to the *following* group.
That's silly default; point should stay at the group I just got
more mail for.
* As far as I can tell, there is no command to get new mail/news
from the summary buffer. This means I have to quit the Summary
buffer, type M-g, then back up, and *then* type space. As
well as being inconvenient, it inefficient for Gnus to re-load
the existing messages.
* If I enter a group, point normally goes to the first unread message.
But if (say) there is only a single new message, that message becomes
the last line in the window, while point goes to the *middle* of the
window. When the list of ticked messages is long, it starts showing
the first old message, rather than the first new message.
* In general, the Gnus defaults for mail are quite clumsy.
For example, there should be a single command to delete (make
expirable) messages and move to the next. I ended up doing:
(add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'my-alter-summary-map)
(defun my-alter-summary-map ()
(local-set-key "d" 'gnus-summary-put-mark-as-expirable-next))
More generally, for mail the natural classification is old messages,
new messages, and deleted messages. Once I have deleted a
message, I normally don't want to see it. However, I would like
to be able to see old messages. If I do plain space in the Group
buffer, I only see new and ticked messages. But if I do ^U-space
I get *all* the messages, including the expired ones. This means
that to get what I consider normal behavior (as in most other MUAs)
I must take one of two acrtions for each new message: Either tick it
if I want to save it, or delete it (make expireable) otherwise.
Sometimes I forget. This is not very friendly.
* Bottom line: Gnus is not usable as a mail reader for non-hacker
types. There are just too many options, there is no introductory
manual, and the defaults are non-intuitive. Even setting it up
so it suitable for non-hackers is difficult. I ended up setting
up my boyfriend to use VM. He is not 100% happy with VM, but
I don't see how gnus could be an option. That is a shame.
* In there any commend to re-number the messages in a mail folder?
I'm used to mhe, which would re-use numbers on expired messages,
and when teh numbers approaches 10000, I would run an mh command
to renumber the entire folder. Yes, this is an esthetic issue,
not really important ...
--
--Per Bothner
bothner@pacbell.net http://home.pacbell.net/bothner/
next reply other threads:[~1999-06-22 0:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-06-22 0:36 Per Bothner [this message]
1999-06-22 2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22 8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:39 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 7:00 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:44 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:50 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 8:18 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33 ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 6:54 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36 ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 9:10 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39 ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13 ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23 7:05 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 0:27 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 6:45 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34 ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 0:20 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24 6:44 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 9:19 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:21 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58 ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47 ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56 ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28 1:53 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 8:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 23:06 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 9:17 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 9:14 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41 ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38 ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 6:14 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04 1:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33 ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33 ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:10 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 7:32 ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23 7:46 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13 ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18 ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23 7:51 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23 6:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 7:23 ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04 1:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23 0:48 ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 7:42 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23 7:49 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20 ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 19:15 ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02 ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43 ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23 6:42 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25 3:18 ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 0:07 ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26 0:19 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:05 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26 2:28 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26 2:46 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 2:49 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 8:09 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26 9:32 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58 ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 5:10 ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25 ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52 ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04 2:19 ` some mail annoyances Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 2:44 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 3:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:15 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 6:51 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15 ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01 ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 6:37 ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05 3:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05 3:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 9:28 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06 3:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 7:45 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 4:02 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06 6:47 ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20 ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22 ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40 ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06 3:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13 5:22 ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29 ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18 ` lconrad
1999-07-05 3:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07 0:34 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07 2:46 ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39 ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28 7:36 ` Rob Browning
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