From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57067 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonas Steverud Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Terminology (was: Configuring spam.el: A few questions) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:56:02 +0200 Organization: The Deciples of Albericht Nibelungen Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4nvfkkvodw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4n7jwhaug6.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <4noeps9ehx.fsf@b2-25-3.bwh.harvard.edu> <87d666l9hx.fsf@uwo.ca> <87y8otogpa.fsf@emptyhost.emptydomain.de> <87ad19faqt.fsf@uwo.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082318203 8816 80.91.224.253 (18 Apr 2004 19:56:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5607@lists.math.uh.edu Sun Apr 18 21:56:36 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFIP5-0000fJ-00 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:56:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFIOK-0002wx-00; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:55:48 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BFIOB-0002wp-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:55:39 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BFIOB-0007mM-9s for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:55:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com (mxfep01.bredband.com [195.54.107.70]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157303A004C for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:55:36 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from c-ec5372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net ([213.114.83.154] [213.114.83.154]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20040418195534.SXFC15316.mxfep01.bredband.com@c-ec5372d5.036-4-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se.bredband.net> for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:55:35 +0200 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never In-Reply-To: <87ad19faqt.fsf@uwo.ca> (Dan Christensen's message of "Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:37:30 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110001 (No Gnus v0.1) Emacs/21.3 (darwin) Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57067 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57067 Dan Christensen writes: [...] > The last two lines seem to contradict the first line, so maybe there > is no strict definition of what "unread" means. Seems like it is time IMHO for some spring cleaning...? It seems like the big problem is the terms "read" and "unread" that is the problem. Suggested new terms/definitions: Visited: A article that the user has seen before; read, ticked, dormant, marked as expireable, ... (Other criteria?) Read: An article that has been marked as killed, ancient, read in the na=EFve sense; i.e. actually *read*, ... I.e. not ticked etc. Unvisted or Unread: Replaces Unseen which I find confusing - an article that is killed and yanked from the summary buffer is in my view unseen. Unseen: (?) Articles that are unvisited but not shown in the summary buffer, usually expunged articles due to scoring. Maybe Unseen should be considered Visited, i.e. an expunged article is considered visited. But isn't it a difference between expunge and mark-and-expunge? (Checks info...) Yes it is. (Actually, what happens with an article that is expunged but not marked as read? Will it still count as unread and the group will show unread articles in *Group* buffer?) I have not given this very much thought but the unread/read and unseen terms seams a little confusing and maybe it should be replaced by "visited" or some similar term? Opinions? --=20 ( http://hem.bredband.net/steverud/ ! Wei Wu Wei ) ( Meaning of U2 Lyrics, Roleplaying ! To Do Without Do )