From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/88939 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jouni_K=2E_Sepp=E4nen?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: oauth to be required for gmail Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2019 22:43:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8736dkhx05.fsf@bobnewell.net> <877e2uvpve.fsf@gnus.org> <87tv5yxgae.fsf@randomsample> <878sn3qpco.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <87lfr3fdkr.fsf@randomsample> <87tv5p4qc9.fsf@gnus.org> <86tv5npnz6.fsf@dod.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="90000"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (darwin) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M37142@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jan 02 20:00:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from lists1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.208]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1in5iH-000N3m-Uk for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 20:00:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by lists1.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1in5hP-0000OH-2u; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 12:59:59 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by lists1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ilIwe-0005PG-6y for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 28 Dec 2019 14:44:20 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1ilIwb-0004MN-Aw for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 28 Dec 2019 14:44:20 -0600 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226] helo=blaine.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ilIwU-00072I-2l for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:44:12 +0100 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ilIwQ-000dc8-Ak for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:44:06 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:GNbDrCkqjzAhvLVoYEKbgeW4jCo= List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:88939 Archived-At: Steinar Bang writes: >>>>>> Lars Ingebrigtsen : >> Bob Newell writes: > >>> But my fear is that, should I change to another provider --- I >>> don't know, FastMail or someone--- they might in time go the >>> same route. Eliminating "less secure" login methods certainly >>> seems to be trending. > >> Yup. I think I read somewhere that Microsoft is disabling >> user-name/password auth on their IMAP offerings, too. > > FWIW a third option is to become your own provider: > 1. Get a Virtual Private Server (VPS) 2. Get a DNS domain (any > domain will do) 3. Set up a MTA on the VPS (postfix, exim, > etc.) 4. Set up an IMAP server on the VPS (I recommend > dovecot) It's probably a good idea to get your own domain name in any case. You can tell a provider like Fastmail to handle the email for that domain, and if they ever start misbehaving, you can move your domain elsewhere without updating your email address in everyone's address book. You can also do a similar thing communally: iki.fi is a non-profit that gives you an email address and forwards email to wherever you like (but only open to residents of Finland). Forwarding to Gmail is a bit problematic because Google occasionally and seemingly randomly blocks or delays mail from small-volume senders, but I've been happily forwarding to Fastmail for a few years now.