How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

Hi !

I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.

Could anybody tell me what I can test ?

Thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Tassilo Horn]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Francis,

> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know
> from this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.

Sent by Gnus in contrast to rmail, which also started using message-mode
recently, right?

> Could anybody tell me what I can test ?

At least `org-gnus.el' checks for Message-Id and Gcc headers to store
links to Gnus messages that haven't been sent at the time of linking
yet.  I might be wrong, but I think Gcc headers are a Gnus invention.

Bye,
Tassilo
-- 
Sent from my Emacs

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know
>> from this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>
> Sent by Gnus in contrast to rmail, which also started using message-mode
> recently, right?
>

You're right.

>
>> Could anybody tell me what I can test ?
>
> At least `org-gnus.el' checks for Message-Id and Gcc headers to store
> links to Gnus messages that haven't been sent at the time of linking
> yet.  I might be wrong, but I think Gcc headers are a Gnus invention.
>

The thing is that I don't always use Gcc header. For mailing lists for
example, I don't use it since I'm going to receive a copy of the mail
anyways.

Thanks
-- 
Francis

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Tassilo Horn]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Francis,

>>> Could anybody tell me what I can test ?
>>
>> At least `org-gnus.el' checks for Message-Id and Gcc headers to store
>> links to Gnus messages that haven't been sent at the time of linking
>> yet.  I might be wrong, but I think Gcc headers are a Gnus invention.
>>
>
> The thing is that I don't always use Gcc header. For mailing lists for
> example, I don't use it since I'm going to receive a copy of the mail
> anyways.

Hm, I always set a Gcc.  For normal groups it's the group itself, and
for mailing list groups, I set a Gcc to my "Sent Messages" group.

Instead of looking at the Gcc, you could set
`message-generate-headers-first' to t and make User-Agent non-optional
in `message-required-mail-headers'.  That should insert a User-Agent
header with Gnus + version as contents as soon as you write a mail from
inside Gnus.

HTH,
Tassilo

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

Hi Tassilo,

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>> Could anybody tell me what I can test ?
>>>
>>> At least `org-gnus.el' checks for Message-Id and Gcc headers to store
>>> links to Gnus messages that haven't been sent at the time of linking
>>> yet.  I might be wrong, but I think Gcc headers are a Gnus invention.
>>>
>>
>> The thing is that I don't always use Gcc header. For mailing lists for
>> example, I don't use it since I'm going to receive a copy of the mail
>> anyways.
>
> Hm, I always set a Gcc.  For normal groups it's the group itself, and
> for mailing list groups, I set a Gcc to my "Sent Messages" group.
>

Hmm, I think I could use the "Sent Messages" group for mailing list
groups.

>
> Instead of looking at the Gcc, you could set
> `message-generate-headers-first' to t and make User-Agent non-optional
> in `message-required-mail-headers'.  That should insert a User-Agent
> header with Gnus + version as contents as soon as you write a mail from
> inside Gnus.
>

Ah, that's another possibility which sounds good.

Thanks Tassilo for your suggestions.
-- 
Francis

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Andreas Schwab]

Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.

Why do you need to know that?

Andreas.

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Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:

> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
>> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>
> Why do you need to know that?
>

Because I have this in my .emacs:

  (setq mail-default-headers
        (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address "\n"))

that is I want to receive a copy of my emails sent from emacs but not by
gnus itself.

When writing stuff with Gnus, I prefer to use Gcc header. Therefore when
I'm writing email from Gnus, I want to drop the Bcc header automatically
set.

-- 
Francis

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Dave Goldberg]

> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
>>> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>> 
>> Why do you need to know that?
>> 

> Because I have this in my .emacs:

>   (setq mail-default-headers
>         (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address "\n"))

> that is I want to receive a copy of my emails sent from emacs but not by
> gnus itself.

> When writing stuff with Gnus, I prefer to use Gcc header. Therefore when
> I'm writing email from Gnus, I want to drop the Bcc header automatically
> set.

Perhaps a call to message-remove-header in message-setup-hook will work?

-- 
Dave Goldberg
david.goldberg6@verizon.net

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes:

>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
>>>> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>>> 
>>> Why do you need to know that?
>>> 
>
>> Because I have this in my .emacs:
>
>>   (setq mail-default-headers
>>         (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address "\n"))
>
>> that is I want to receive a copy of my emails sent from emacs but not by
>> gnus itself.
>
>> When writing stuff with Gnus, I prefer to use Gcc header. Therefore when
>> I'm writing email from Gnus, I want to drop the Bcc header automatically
>> set.
>
> Perhaps a call to message-remove-header in message-setup-hook will
> work?

But isn't that new hook be installed for my whole emacs session ?

-- 
Francis

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Dave Goldberg]

> david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes:
>>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
>>>>> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>>>> 
>>>> Why do you need to know that?
>>>> 
>> 
>>> Because I have this in my .emacs:
>> 
>>> (setq mail-default-headers
>>> (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address "\n"))
>> 
>>> that is I want to receive a copy of my emails sent from emacs but not by
>>> gnus itself.
>> 
>>> When writing stuff with Gnus, I prefer to use Gcc header. Therefore when
>>> I'm writing email from Gnus, I want to drop the Bcc header automatically
>>> set.
>> 
>> Perhaps a call to message-remove-header in message-setup-hook will
>> work?

> But isn't that new hook be installed for my whole emacs session ?

Yes, sorry, I should have said gnus-message-setup-hook, which I would hope that other modes that use message do not call.

-- 
Dave Goldberg
david.goldberg6@verizon.net

Re: How to know a mail is sent with gnus ?

[Francis Moreau]

david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes:

>> david.goldberg6@verizon.net (Dave Goldberg) writes:
>>>> Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:
>>>>> Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm writing a hook for 'message-send-hook' and I would like to know from
>>>>>> this hook if the current message has been sent by Gnus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why do you need to know that?
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Because I have this in my .emacs:
>>> 
>>>> (setq mail-default-headers
>>>> (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address "\n"))
>>> 
>>>> that is I want to receive a copy of my emails sent from emacs but not by
>>>> gnus itself.
>>> 
>>>> When writing stuff with Gnus, I prefer to use Gcc header. Therefore when
>>>> I'm writing email from Gnus, I want to drop the Bcc header automatically
>>>> set.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps a call to message-remove-header in message-setup-hook will
>>> work?
>
>> But isn't that new hook be installed for my whole emacs session ?
>
> Yes, sorry, I should have said gnus-message-setup-hook, which I would hope that other modes that use message do not call.

Ah, yes indeed that's a good idea, assuming that no other modes call
this hook, but that would be pretty silly I think.

Thanks
-- 
Francis