xpm-m... Uhm.

xpm-m... Uhm.

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

So, like, I got a bit carried away as usual, and `xpm-mode' is now a
drawing program.  :-)  It still uses something XPMish as its internal
format.  (I now have the XPM specs, so I can parse things a bit
better, I think.)

`xpm-mode' is a total misnomer now.  What should a drawing program
running under XEmacs be called?  XPain(t)?  Pamacs?  PhotoMax?
MacDraw?  Emaw?

(Not that this has anything to do with Gnus, though.  Perhaps I should
mosey on over to xemacs-beta instead...)

(I don't know if it's any good.  It's quite Emacsy, and that's kinda
unusual for a drawing program.)

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xpm-m... Uhm.

[luis fernandes]

How about...*drum-roll*...pixmacs

(Hmmm...I think we need an audio equivalent to smiley.el; standard
earcons would be: drum roll, snicker, laugh, etc. :-)

Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

elf@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes) writes:

> How about...*drum-roll*...pixmacs

I'm now leaning more towards naming it after one of the Great
Painters.  You know -- "Khalo" or something.

> (Hmmm...I think we need an audio equivalent to smiley.el; standard
> earcons would be: drum roll, snicker, laugh, etc. :-)

:-)

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Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

luis> (Hmmm...I think we need an audio equivalent to smiley.el; standard
luis> earcons would be: drum roll, snicker, laugh, etc. :-)

Lars> :-)

I've found a snicker, laugh, and some other related sound effects,
including an **Evil Laugh** suitable for announcement of new features
:-), but no drum roll, and there's got to be a drum roll ...

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Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Per Abrahamsen]

>>>>> "SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

luis> (Hmmm...I think we need an audio equivalent to smiley.el; standard
luis> earcons would be: drum roll, snicker, laugh, etc. :-)

Lars> :-)

SLB> I've found a snicker, laugh, and some other related sound effects,
SLB> including an **Evil Laugh** suitable for announcement of new features
SLB> :-), but no drum roll, and there's got to be a drum roll ...

It should be really simple to implement, just add a new entry to
`gnus-button-alist' for each sound effect, and write a function to
play the sound.  By default it could just cat a file into /dev/audio.

Then, **Evil Laugh** would become a button that would play the sound
when pushed. 

Anyone have a good list of earcons?

earcons

[Mark Boyns]

Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:

> Anyone have a good list of earcons?

I have 1.3 GB of sound files.  Let me know what types of sounds we
need and I see what I can find.

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Re: earcons

[William Perry]

Mark Boyns writes:
>Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>
>> Anyone have a good list of earcons?
>
>I have 1.3 GB of sound files.  Let me know what types of sounds we
>need and I see what I can find.

  I think the main problem is not finding the sounds, but in determining
the most-used ways of specifying sounds in text.  *sigh*,*groan*, etc.
Anybody remember the old VMS game Monster?  It had a lot of 'atmosphere'
commands that could be a good starting point.  I've got the source around
somewhere, have to see if I can dig them up.

-Bill P.

Re: earcons

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "William" == William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> writes:

>> Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>>> Anyone have a good list of earcons?

Mark> I have 1.3 GB of sound files.  Let me know what types of sounds we
Mark> need and I see what I can find.

William>   I think the main problem is not finding the sounds, but in
William> determining the most-used ways of specifying sounds in text.
William> *sigh*,*groan*, etc.  Anybody remember the old VMS game
William> Monster?  It had a lot of 'atmosphere' commands that could be
William> a good starting point.  I've got the source around somewhere,
William> have to see if I can dig them up.

O.K.  Here's my list.  Mark, do you have a real yawn, or a better
short drumroll?

		Boring
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/Boring.au

		Evil Laugh
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/Evil_Laugh.au

		Gag me with a spoon!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/Puke.au

		Snicker
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/Snicker.au

		For Lars' .signature
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/catmeow.wav

		Sob!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/cry.wav

		Drumroll ...
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drumroll.au
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drumroll.wav
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drumroll2.au
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drums1.wav
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drums2.wav
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/drums3.wav

(I think drumroll.wav is the best, but it'll have to be converted to
.au and shortened :-( ).

		Blast You!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/explosion.au

		That's a brilliant idea!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/flush.au

		I could just kiss you!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/kiss.wav

		Teehee
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/female1.wav
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/laugh.au

		Shoot!
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/shotgun.wav

		Yawn ...
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/snore.wav

		Cackle
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/witch.au

		Don't ask (from luis)
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/woohoo.au

		You deleted my .newsrc?
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/yell2.au

		Whoop-de-doo
ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/whistle.au

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Re: earcons

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> 		Whoop-de-doo
> ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/whistle.au

So -- who's going to write earcon.el, then?

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Re: earcons

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>> Whoop-de-doo
>> ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/whistle.au

Lars> So -- who's going to write earcon.el, then?

I'm working on it, though I'm calling it gnus-sound.el.

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Re: earcons

[William Perry]

Steven L. Baur writes:
>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>Lars> Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>>> Whoop-de-doo
>>> ftp://ftp.miranova.com/pub/people/Steve.Baur/Gnus-Sounds/whistle.au
>
>Lars> So -- who's going to write earcon.el, then?
>
>I'm working on it, though I'm calling it gnus-sound.el.

  Ack! no, please make it generic so that it can be used with VM, W3, etc.
And if it is generic, then it should not be gnus-sound...

  -Bill P.

Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[William Perry]

Per Abrahamsen writes:
>
>>>>>> "SLB" == Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:
>
>>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
>
>luis> (Hmmm...I think we need an audio equivalent to smiley.el; standard
>luis> earcons would be: drum roll, snicker, laugh, etc. :-)
>
>Lars> :-)
>
>SLB> I've found a snicker, laugh, and some other related sound effects,
>SLB> including an **Evil Laugh** suitable for announcement of new features
>SLB> :-), but no drum roll, and there's got to be a drum roll ...
>
>It should be really simple to implement, just add a new entry to
>`gnus-button-alist' for each sound effect, and write a function to
>play the sound.  By default it could just cat a file into /dev/audio.
>
>Then, **Evil Laugh** would become a button that would play the sound
>when pushed. 

  Nah... no interaction from the user should be required. :)  How about
hooking into the redisplay hooks like lazy-lock does?  When a region is
exposed via window-resizing or scrolling, etc, and new earcons are exposed,
it plays the sound.

-Bill P.

Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Stephen Peters]

William Perry <wmperry@monolith.spry.com> writes:
> Per Abrahamsen writes:
> >It should be really simple to implement, just add a new entry to
> >`gnus-button-alist' for each sound effect, and write a function to
> >play the sound.  By default it could just cat a file into /dev/audio.
> >
> >Then, **Evil Laugh** would become a button that would play the sound
> >when pushed. 
>
>   Nah... no interaction from the user should be required. :) How
> about hooking into the redisplay hooks like lazy-lock does?  When a
> region is exposed via window-resizing or scrolling, etc, and new
> earcons are exposed, it plays the sound.

Well, the problem with that is that these sounds should *enhance* the
message, not *detract* from it.  If your screen is 50 lines high, and
down on the last line there's a `*giggle*', then you want to hear
girlish laughter when you read the last line, not when the
gnus-annoy-my-coworkers routine first displays it.

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Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Steven L Baur]

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Peters <speters%samsun@us.oracle.com> writes:

Stephen> Well, the problem with that is that these sounds should
Stephen> *enhance* the message, not *detract* from it.  If your screen
Stephen> is 50 lines high, and down on the last line there's a
Stephen> `*giggle*', then you want to hear girlish laughter when you
Stephen> read the last line, not when the gnus-annoy-my-coworkers
Stephen> routine first displays it.

We don't exactly have a message-eye-contact-made-hook available,
unless Per has tied something in with telepathic-survey-mode :-).

We need a toggling enable/disable for the whole mode, and perhaps also
a switch between immediately playing the sound when the message is
displayed versus making a button out of it.

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Re: xpm-m... Uhm.

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven L Baur <steve@miranova.com> writes:

> We need a toggling enable/disable for the whole mode, and perhaps also
> a switch between immediately playing the sound when the message is
> displayed versus making a button out of it.

Definitely.  I'd prefer having the sound played when I clicked it.

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