From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/79797 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Abrahams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [The saga continues...] This bug is killing me! Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:07:12 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87pqjnqt5k.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87ty8y906n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1314742066 12409 80.91.229.12 (30 Aug 2011 22:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: James Cloos , ding@gnus.org, John Wiegley To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: ding-owner+M28091@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Aug 31 00:07:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QyWT7-0004b5-Gq for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 00:07:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QyWSu-0002eK-Ia; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:07:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QyWSt-0002e9-DC for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QyWSr-00089q-Vm for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:07:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pz0-f46.google.com ([209.85.210.46]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyWSp-0000aA-T6 for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 00:07:24 +0200 Original-Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32so177836pzk.33 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.142.202.10 with SMTP id z10mr1649122wff.262.1314742036655; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from pluto.local (209-112-218-30-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net [209.112.218.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l6sm852906wff.20.2011.08.30.15.07.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by pluto.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A1852DB9E10; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:07:12 -0800 (AKDT) In-Reply-To: <87ty8y906n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Tue, 30 Aug 2011 21:19:44 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/23.3 (darwin) X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:79797 Archived-At: on Tue Aug 30 2011, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Dave Abrahams writes: > >>>>> BTW: I think, that the default of this variable should be t >>>>> nowadays, >>> >>> Mark propagation is not universally supported. >> >> By what? (not challenging; just not understanding yet). > > By backends: Server-side marks are something that's basically only > supported by IMAP (and thus the nnimap backend). > >>> Setting it to t would certainly break things here. >> >> Where; what things? > > I don't know the answer but have another question: if it would break > things, why is it a defcustom then? And if only nnimap supports mark > propagation, and the code already has an exception to enable MP for IMAP > servers (*), why do we have that variable anyway? > > (*) ... which doesn't seem to work for Dave ... > >>> Gnus needs to work correcly with gnus-propagate-marks nil. >> >> Perhaps so. Can you define what "correctly" means in this case? > > Marks should be propagated to your IMAP server, no matter the value of > that variable. And what we've discovered so far is that this seems to > happen when you mark an article and then exit the summary, while the > mark is lost when you hit M-g, thus updating the summary without exiting > it. > > Well, that's at least some perimeter of the issue. I have no clue about > all that backend code, but hopefully someone who has is helped on with > it. Okay, so I just exited Gnus and decided to answer `n' to the "update summary buffer INBOX" question. Restarted Emacs and Gnus and nearly all my marks were gone, even in some NNTP groups. So I set (and saved) `gnus-propagate-marks' back to nil, and did a `M-g', and all my marks came back. something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-Denmark-ly y'rs, -- Dave Abrahams BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com