From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/11368 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: New PostScript manuals generated Date: 17 Jun 1997 17:55:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035151088 29883 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 21:58:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from sandy.calag.com (root@sandy [206.190.83.128]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11109 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:01 -0700 Original-Received: from deanna.miranova.com (root@deanna [206.190.83.1]) by sandy.calag.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17047 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:33 -0700 Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by deanna.miranova.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02605 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:11 -0700 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26488 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:03:57 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by ifi.uio.no with SMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:05:18 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 14842 invoked by uid 504); 17 Jun 1997 16:04:49 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 14839 invoked from network); 17 Jun 1997 16:04:49 -0000 Original-Received: from ifi.uio.no (129.240.64.2) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 1997 16:04:48 -0000 Original-Received: from proletcult.slip.ifi.uio.no (root@xyplex05.uio.no [129.240.154.25]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:04:01 +0200 Original-Received: (from larsi@localhost) by proletcult.slip.ifi.uio.no (8.8.2/8.8.2) id RAA00560; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:55:51 +0200 Mail-Copies-To: never Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Jost.Krieger+list@ruhr-uni-bochum.de's message of 16 Jun 1997 10:09:38 +0200 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.1/Emacs 19.34 X-Face: &w!^oO~dS|}-P0~ge{$c!h\ The fonts look nice, except that in some places you use an italic font > that's way too large (like in the A4 version on page 205: > *backend*-status-string). Yeah, that looked ugly. It's not an italic font -- it's a slanted sans serif thing. I've no idea why it ended up bigger than the surrounding text. I've now made it smaller explicitly. > The chapter gnus are nice, except the Appendices have chapter number > 10 and nine gnus in front :-) Should that be an inverted Gnu ? I'm going to drop two of the chapters ("Composing Messages" and "The Article Buffer" -- they'll be moved to "Various". They're rather small.) and add a new "Introduction to Gnus" chapter that'll explain the main points without using any big words, and lots of screenshots. And Custom screenshots. That should give us 9 chapters, if one can count "Appendices" as a chapter. > I think the page gnu should be farther away from the text body, like > under the page number. Ah, yes, that might be nice. I'll give it a try and see how it looks. > The outer margin is quite large. Could we put something sensible in > there (like Notes and Warnings)? Oops. There *are* gnus there, just > not that many. Could those be centered in the margin, or at least be > symmetric for left and right pages ? Yup. There'll also be toolbar icons (if somebody would make those large versions, that is. Pleeeeeze!) and X-Faces and smilies and picons and stuff in the margins. Where they belong, of course. The screenshots will also occupty the margins as well as the body. That is, they'll be as wide as that line on the top of the page. > Your reference algorithm is broken. External references are horrible, > but rare. Internal references point to the place before the chapter > or section, typically on the wrong page. If you use LaTeX's reference > mechanism, make sure the "label"s are generated after the chapter > heading. I run LaTeX on the output thrice, but I guess that isn't enough. :-) First I run LaTeX to get the indices and stuff, and then it's run to include the table of contents, and then one would think the third run should get the page references right, but perhaps the length of the page references skew things, so that I'll have to run it again to get the page references right. > (Could we have a look at your production tools ?) is where it all happens. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen