From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/67201 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew J Cosgriff Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Getting Reacquainted with Gnus Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Organization: I'm trying Message-ID: References: <87d4ku994x.fsf@mcbain.luannocracy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217493204 22047 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 08:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:33:24 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M15658@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Jul 31 10:34:14 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOTbx-0007eV-9C for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:34:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOTa9-0002AQ-Ca; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:32:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KORMY-0001UK-HH for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KORMU-0002wn-DX for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1KORMp-0005Ul-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:10:27 +0200 Original-Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KORMQ-0006AN-Su for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: from off-gw.insys.com.au ([150.101.159.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:02 +0000 Original-Received: from confusenet by off-gw.insys.com.au with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:10:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 65 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: off-gw.insys.com.au User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2.50 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wDnkeDtB1QyYPuRRP9O7aFPgGc0= X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:67201 Archived-At: David Abrahams wrote : > After much futzing around with other approaches, I decided to surrender > to the inevitable truth that Gnus is the one true way (for me). Yes. I've been off in the wilderness ever since I got a Mac 5 years ago, though I came to miss Emacs, and started to use Gnus again in the past year, if only to look at gmane.*. > My first step was to go to http://gnus.org and look for documentation. Perhaps it's worth just having it point to http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs-en?CategoryGnus ? Though I notice the first link to the tutorial there is broken, too (I don't suppose anyone has a copy of it around for us put somewhere?) [...] > I'm using a self-built snapshot of GNU Emacs that reports itself as > version > > 23.0.60.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2008-05-03 [...] > I still don't know what version I should be using. I guess the only > thing newer than 5.13 would be a development snapshot? Yes, though I believe Emacs CVS is synced up with Gnus CVS fairly(?) regularly these days. > My point in writing this post is that the environment for someone trying > to get started with the latest, best Gnus is not too friendly. I would > like to see updated documentation available on gnus.org, and I'd > especially like to see clear guidance there about what to download when > acquiring gnus. Even sinking the ognus and ngnus packages into a > subdirectory called "alpha" would be a big help. For the time being it seems like the latest, best Gnus is whatever your Emacs ships with. If you want anything more recent, you're best pulling it down via CVS, since actual development "releases" are pretty few and far between these days, it seems. I'm happy to try and hack up a bit of content for an updated (but very basic) gnus.org website that merely answers a few key questions like - what is it? why do i want to use it? - how can i get: - the latest stable release - the bleeding edge development releases - how do i get started? - where can i find more information? (emacswiki, mailing list, etc.) (and maybe something to generate both the latest stable manual and the latest CVS development one into HTML) ...is anyone interested? Cheers, Cos. (wondering exactly happened to that Gnus cap he had all those years ago...) -- http://andrew.j.cosgriff.name/ | do not ingest