posting "some" mail through a different server?

posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

How come this doesn't work as group parameters:

 (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
 (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
 (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)

Specifically, I'm trying to send some of my mail through a ssh port
forwarded tunnel (through port 1125).  This doesn't seem to work
though and it still tries to go through my local sendmail.  I know the
-default versions of the variables shouldn't be used but I'd think the
above settings should be ok.  Apparently not?




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Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Jesper Harder]

Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:

> How come this doesn't work as group parameters:
>
>  (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
>  (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
>  (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)

Just guessing: Because the Message buffer (or whatever buffer is
current at the appropriate time) doesn't inherit buffer-local values
from the Summary buffer?

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Jesper Harder                                <http://purl.org/harder/>

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:21:55 +0200, Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:

Jesper> Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:
>> How come this doesn't work as group parameters:
>> 
>> (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
>> (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
>> (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)

Jesper> Just guessing: Because the Message buffer (or whatever buffer
Jesper> is current at the appropriate time) doesn't inherit
Jesper> buffer-local values from the Summary buffer?

Probably.

sigh.

Anyone have thoughts on how to make it work?

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"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
 and much more difficult to find."  -- Terry Pratchett

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Arne Jørgensen]

Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:

>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:21:55 +0200, Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:
>
> Jesper> Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:
>>> How come this doesn't work as group parameters:
>>> 
>>> (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
>>> (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
>>> (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
>
> Jesper> Just guessing: Because the Message buffer (or whatever buffer
> Jesper> is current at the appropriate time) doesn't inherit
> Jesper> buffer-local values from the Summary buffer?
>
> Probably.
>
> sigh.
>
> Anyone have thoughts on how to make it work?

gnus-newsgroup-variables?

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Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:20:39 +0200, Arne Jørgensen <arne@arnested.dk> said:

Jesper> Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:
>>>> How come this doesn't work as group parameters:
>>>> 
>>>> (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
>>>> (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
>>>> (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
>> 
Jesper> Just guessing: Because the Message buffer (or whatever buffer
Jesper> is current at the appropriate time) doesn't inherit
Jesper> buffer-local values from the Summary buffer?
>> 
>> Probably.
>> 
>> sigh.
>> 
>> Anyone have thoughts on how to make it work?

Arne> gnus-newsgroup-variables?

Also would work, but would cause problems when entering multiple
groups (which I do sometimes) as it forces the variable to be global.

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"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
 and much more difficult to find."  -- Terry Pratchett

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Jesper Harder]

Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:

>>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 18:21:55 +0200, Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:
>
> Jesper> Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:
>>> How come this doesn't work as group parameters:
>>> 
>>> (smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
>>> (smtpmail-smtp-service 1125)
>>> (message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
>
> Jesper> Just guessing: Because the Message buffer (or whatever buffer
> Jesper> is current at the appropriate time) doesn't inherit
> Jesper> buffer-local values from the Summary buffer?
>
> Anyone have thoughts on how to make it work?

In your `gnus-posting-styles'.  Maybe.

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Jesper Harder                                <http://purl.org/harder/>

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 19:59:37 +0200, Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:

Jesper> In your `gnus-posting-styles'.  Maybe.

That's probably the right way to do it, but unfortunately it doesn't
support setting of random variables, which would mean doing it inside
a setq inside a function defining a value for something else.

Maybe we should add support for (variable . value) in
gnus-posting-styles that would auto-create a local variable and
set it.  That of course is backwards from group parameters, where
variables are supposed to be (name value) and attributes are (name
. value) which is disappointing from a consistency point of view...

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"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
 and much more difficult to find."  -- Terry Pratchett

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Jesper Harder]

Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> writes:

>>>>>> Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:
>
> Jesper> In your `gnus-posting-styles'.  Maybe.
>
> That's probably the right way to do it, but unfortunately it doesn't
> support setting of random variables, which would mean doing it
> inside a setq inside a function defining a value for something else.

It does have `eval'.  E.g.

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
     '((".*"
        (eval (set (make-local-variable 'foo) 'bar)))))

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Jesper Harder                                <http://purl.org/harder/>

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:01:13 +0200, Jesper Harder <harder@ifa.au.dk> said:

Jesper> In your `gnus-posting-styles'.  Maybe.
>> 
>> That's probably the right way to do it, but unfortunately it doesn't
>> support setting of random variables, which would mean doing it
>> inside a setq inside a function defining a value for something else.

Jesper> It does have `eval'.  E.g.

Missed that in the docs.  Thanks.

Of course, that doesn't work either.  sigh.

I suspect that when the message-send-mail-function is called its not
in the buffer in question and is a different processing buffer (I'm
guessing.  I haven't looked at the internals).  I've verified that in
the article I'm writing the variables are set up and local, but they
don't affect the sending of the mail....

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"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
 and much more difficult to find."  -- Terry Pratchett

Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[James Felix Black]

I'm no gnus expert, but I got this to work in my peculiar situation by
using gnus-group-parameters:

http://my.gnus.org/node/view/278

I have a vanity domain (as well as several other email sources) that's
collected and split into a local courier-imap setup.  This way, I can
make sure that replies go out through the correct SMTP server.

'jfb

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Re: posting "some" mail through a different server?

[Wes Hardaker]

>>>>> On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 13:27:21 -0700, James Felix Black <jfb@visi.com> said:

James> I'm no gnus expert, but I got this to work in my peculiar situation by
James> using gnus-group-parameters:

James> http://my.gnus.org/node/view/278

James> I have a vanity domain (as well as several other email sources)
James> that's collected and split into a local courier-imap setup.
James> This way, I can make sure that replies go out through the
James> correct SMTP server.

Thanks for the example.  I'll definitely consider that.

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"In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap,
 and much more difficult to find."  -- Terry Pratchett