Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bug fixes.

Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
"/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".  The patch is available as
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/patches/qgnus-0.4-0.5.diff.gz>.

ChangeLog since last release:

Tue Sep 16 00:18:11 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@menja.ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus.el: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released.

Mon Sep 15 00:53:50 1997  Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen  <larsi@ifi.uio.no>

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-alter-header-function): New variable.
	(gnus-nov-parse-line): Use it.
	(gnus-get-newsgroup-headers): Ditto.

	* gnus-draft.el (gnus-group-send-drafts): Don't send when
	unplugged. 

	* gnus-sum.el (gnus-summary-read-group): Don't show-all when
	skipping groups.

	* gnus-start.el (gnus-start-draft-setup): Changed name.



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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Doc bug: During "make EMACS=xemacs"...

	Formatting: Setting Process Marks ... 
	Formatting: Limiting ... 
	Formatting: Threading ... 
	Formatting: Customizing Threading ... 
	@] is not handled by texinfo
	XEmacs exiting.
	make: *** [gnus] Error 255

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[SL Baur]

Karl Kleinpaste <karl@jprc.com> writes:

> Doc bug: During "make EMACS=xemacs"...
> 	Formatting: Setting Process Marks ... 
> 	Formatting: Limiting ... 
> 	Formatting: Threading ... 
> 	Formatting: Customizing Threading ... 
> 	@] is not handled by texinfo
> 	XEmacs exiting.
> 	make: *** [gnus] Error 255

I sent this patch to gnus-bug:

1997-09-15  SL Baur  <steve@altair.xemacs.org>

	* gnus.texi: Fix typo.

===================================================================
RCS file: RCS/gnus.texi,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -r1.5 gnus.texi
--- gnus.texi	1997/09/15 23:55:36	1.5
+++ gnus.texi	1997/09/16 00:19:50
@@ -4737,9 +4737,9 @@
 (defun my-alter-message-id (header)
   (let ((id (mail-header-id header)))
     (when (string-match
-           "\\(<[^<>@]*\\)\\.?cygnus\\..*@\\([^<>@]*>\\)" id)
+           "\\(<[^<>@@]*\\)\\.?cygnus\\..*@@\\([^<>@@]*>\\)" id)
       (mail-header-set-id
-       (concat (match-string 1 id) "@" (match-string 2 id))
+       (concat (match-string 1 id) "@@" (match-string 2 id))
        header))))
 @end lisp
 

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Mark Hovey]

How are you guys managing to get Quassia Gnus?  In
/ftp@ftp.gnus.org/pub/emacs/gnus all I see are various 5.4.x versions.
I am feeling left out here!
               Mark Hovey

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Johan Vromans]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Bug fixes.
> 
> Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
> "/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".

No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?

Also, www.gnus.org does not give information on QGnus. It does not
seem to be updated since January 25th 1997.

-- Johan

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Chris D. Halverson]

Johan Vromans <johan_vromans@nl.compuware.com> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> 
> > Bug fixes.
> > 
> > Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
> > "/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".
> 
> No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?

If you don't have www access to it (or don't want to), use wget:

wget http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz

Very straightforward. Get it from your local Gnu mirror.

> Also, www.gnus.org does not give information on QGnus. It does not
> seem to be updated since January 25th 1997.

I'm sure that's because it's a prerelease type of thing. Many pieces
of software of prereleases that are availabe, but not
publicised. There are (obviously) quite a few bugs in the current
qgnus due to the amount of new features. If everybody and their
brother got it we'd all spend more time seeing the same emails over
and over again. I'm content to read about it on the mailing
list. Update the web pages when it gets a little more mature.

Chris

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Mark Hovey <mhovey@wesleyan.edu> writes:
> How are you guys managing to get Quassia Gnus?

Read the release announcements: http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz.

I've defined a bash alias to do the fetch (gr = "gnus retrieve"):
alias gr='lynx -source http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/qgnus.tar.gz > ~/Emacs/qgnus.tgz'

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Randal Schwartz]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

Lars> 	* gnus.el: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released.

How non-upward-compatible is this?  Or downward compatible if I
decide to back it out?

Is there some file that has just the new stuff in it?  Is gnus.texi
diff-able from 5.5 without generating a pile of stuff?

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>Mark Hovey <mhovey@wesleyan.edu> writes:
Mark>> How are you guys managing to get Quassia Gnus?

	I get it like so:

	manoj

#! /bin/bash
#                               -*- Mode: Sh -*- 
# mkgnus --- 
# Author           : Manoj Srivastava ( srivasta@tiamat.datasync.com ) 
# 

set -x
set -e
GETFILE=1;
GNUS_NAME=qgnus
TAR_NAME=qgnus
FILE="/tmp/${TAR_NAME}.tar.gz";
SITE_LISP_DIR=/usr/local/lib/emacs/site-lisp/


case $1 in
    -f)
	GETFILE=0;
	if [ "X$2" = "X" ]; then
	    echo The option -f needs an argument;
	    exit 1;
	fi
	FILE=$2;
	if [ ! -f $FILE ]; then
	    echo The argument "$2" for the -f option needs to be a file
	    exit 1;
	fi
	if ! echo $FILE | grep '^/' ; then
	    FILE=`pwd`/"$FILE";
	fi
	shift;
	;;
    *)
	
esac

if [ $GETFILE -gt 0 ]; then
    if [ -f $FILE ]; then
	rm -f "$FILE.sav"
	mv $FILE "$FILE.sav"
    fi
    wget -O $FILE "http://www.gnus.org/${TAR_NAME}.tar.gz" 
fi

cd $SITE_LISP_DIR
rm -rf gnus ${GNUS_NAME}-*
tar zvvfx $FILE
ln -s ${GNUS_NAME}-* gnus
cd gnus
make
rm -f $FILE


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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Johan Vromans <johan_vromans@nl.compuware.com> writes:

> > Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
> > "/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".
> 
> No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?

Not even now?

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> writes:

> How non-upward-compatible is this?

Totally.

> Or downward compatible if I decide to back it out?

Sure.

> Is there some file that has just the new stuff in it?

No, Quassia Gnus will have oodles of changes all over, just as usual.

> Is gnus.texi diff-able from 5.5 without generating a pile of stuff?

Yes.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> If I kill a message-mode buffer, the drafts folder inherits a file that
> contains nothing more than a Message-ID header.  Or maybe this file is
> created as soon as a message-mode starts and not deleted along with the
> buffer?  Either way, this causes problems for just about anything that
> automatically runs through the drafts folder.

How so?

Anyway, I've make `kill-buffer-hook' delete the message.  I'm not sure
that's the right thing to do, though.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Michael R Cook]

>>>>> "LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

 LMI> Johan Vromans <johan_vromans@nl.compuware.com> writes:
 >> > Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
 >> > "/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".
 >> 
 >> No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?

 LMI> Not even now?

FWIW, I've been trying since qgnus-0.1 was announced, and I haven't
been able to get into ftp.gnus.org ("server failed to respond to
open request", or something like that).  I finally gave up and used
the http url.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Jason R Mastaler]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> > No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?
> 
> Not even now?

Nope.

   Jason R. Mastaler                      jason@mastaler.com

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> The right thing to do is to write nothing at all in the drafts folder
> unless and until told to do so either by saving the message buffer or
> "sending" while the agent is unplugged.

Ok; I've now done that.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Joev Dubach]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Johan Vromans <johan_vromans@nl.compuware.com> writes:
>> > Get it from <URL:http://www.gnus.org/qgnus.tar.gz> or 
>> > "/ftp@ftp.gnus.org:/pub/emacs/gnus/".
>> No qgnus on ftp.gnus.org?
> Not even now?

Nope.

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Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Paul Franklin]

>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

 > Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

 >> The right thing to do is to write nothing at all in the drafts folder
 >> unless and until told to do so either by saving the message buffer or
 >> "sending" while the agent is unplugged.

 > Ok; I've now done that.

Hmm.  I'm not convinced this is the right thing.  I think I'd prefer
that the file in the drafts folder created immediately, so auto-saves
happen and it's easy to recover if my emacs dies.

Besides, what if I want to save _everything_ I compose, no matter what
state I leave it in (empty, unfinished, sent), but subject it to
expiry?

--Paul

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Steinar Bang]

>>>>> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>:

> Okay, this is me being constructive for a change: if draft folders are
> going to be part of qgnus (and I am not saying that they are, but they
> appear to be a reasonably consistant means of queueing outgoing messages),
> then two drafts folders are necessary.  The first, "nndraft:drafts",
> handles exactly what Paul wants, a kind of streaming backup for incomplete
> messages.  The second, "nndraft:queue", is the outgoing message queue.
> This is where message dumps outgoing messages when the agent is unplugged.

Good suggestion.  Using nndraft:drafts as both drafts and a queue,
leads to confusing behaviour IMHO.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Per Abrahamsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> The first, "nndraft:drafts",
> handles exactly what Paul wants, a kind of streaming backup for incomplete
> messages.  The second, "nndraft:queue", is the outgoing message queue.

Alternatively, use one folder but add a `queued' mark for "finished"
messages.  I would prefer it that way, as my messages would not really
be finished until they are send.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Per Abrahamsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> I dislike that on a number of levels, not the least of which is that it
> adds an (IMO) unnecessary mark. 

And the alternative adds an (FMV) unnecessary and problematic group.

> Besides, a separate queue folder stands
> out clearly as such.

Which would be good the way you intend to use it, and bad the way I
intent to use it.

Re: Quassia Gnus v0.5 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> Okay, this is me being constructive for a change: if draft folders are
> going to be part of qgnus (and I am not saying that they are, but they
> appear to be a reasonably consistant means of queueing outgoing messages),
> then two drafts folders are necessary.  The first, "nndraft:drafts",
> handles exactly what Paul wants, a kind of streaming backup for incomplete
> messages.  The second, "nndraft:queue", is the outgoing message queue.
> This is where message dumps outgoing messages when the agent is unplugged.

Sounds reasonable to me.  The reason I dumped both these types of
messages is the same group is the (Free) Agent does that, so, like.

I've now added "nndraft:queue", and the directories have changed
location once again -- it's now "~/News/drafts/drafts/" for the drafts
group, and "~/News/drafts/queue/" for the queue of outgoing articles.

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