From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62741 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: message-cite-function: message-cite-original-without-signature? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:09 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <871x2gp4ut.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <87ek01bkli.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1144942264 3423 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2006 15:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+m11268@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 13 17:30:58 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FU3ln-0004xr-RZ for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:30:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1FU3lf-0000kL-00; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:29:59 -0500 Original-Received: from nas01.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.39]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1FU3iw-0000kG-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:27:10 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by nas01.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FU3iu-00032a-4l for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:27:10 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FU3is-0003dP-00 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:27:06 +0200 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FU3iZ-0004F3-Gb for ding@gnus.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:47 +0200 Original-Received: from quimbies.gnus.org ([80.91.231.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:47 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by quimbies.gnus.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:26:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: quimbies.gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Pale Saints's _Barging Into the Presence of God_: "Sight Of You" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110005 (No Gnus v0.5) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TiY1wON2p6+h+RXZncvUggXOMXI= X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Precedence: bulk Original-Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:62741 Archived-At: Romain Francoise writes: > Perhaps we could teach undo to widen the buffer prior to undoing? I'm not sure that's possible. Well, it's Emacs; everything is possible. But can one have a function run in front of `undo'? We don't necessarily know what keystroke the user enters to undo. >> Could we devise a different way to hide the headers? > > We've been there before... We have. :-) I tried poking around a bit to see whether we could just narrow earlier, but Message calls `widen' a few times during setup. Of course, these could probably be removed... Emacs 22 hasn't come up with any new, spiffy things that could be used to hide text in a buffer? (For those who don't remember this discussion from earlier iterations: We want the text to really be in the buffer, so that autosaving etc works as normal, but it shouldn't be visible to the user. Using invisible text is a possibility, but it has shown itself to be problematic -- people cut'n'paste the surrounding text, and, whoops, you have lots of text becoming visible after you've posted the message. So we need: 1) text in the buffer (probably) 2) that's invisible, and can't be moved around, or yanked, or the like Probably.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen