From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57227 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Matthias Andree Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: mx.gnus.org being very strict Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 03:29:15 +0200 Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87ad0p4p57.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <20040503192543.GB21891@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083807024 15903 80.91.224.253 (6 May 2004 01:30:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 01:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M5767@lists.math.uh.edu Thu May 06 03:30:14 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLXiI-0008Ct-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 03:30:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BLXhh-0006kC-00; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:29:37 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BLXhZ-0006k4-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:29:29 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BLXhY-0003PS-GL for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 05 May 2004 20:29:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.e-technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC713A003D for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 20:29:27 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (krusty.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de [129.217.163.1]) by mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491182B1D7 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 03:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EDABD681 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 03:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13488-03 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 03:29:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id ED309BD5B7; Thu, 6 May 2004 03:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Per Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 04 May 2004 10:48:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at m2a2.dyndns.org Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57227 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57227 Per Abrahamsen writes: > Yes. Gateways should just pass bytes along, not try to be smart about > it. Per, MIME is well defined. The gate sees "no Content-Transfer-Encoding, but 8 bit data -> RFC-2822 violated, admin wants this refused". It sees a malformatted mail and rejects it. It sees a well-formatted mail and passes it on. The default in Postfix is to pass on even junk - the admin decided otherwise. > We haven't had nearly enough of that. All the fucking mess we went > through until we reached the current fragile and complex state of > sometimes-working i18n in mail, is due to the utter incompetence of > the mail standard guys, who thought that instead of simplifying > thousands of mail servers running a dozen different code bases to be > transparent, we should put highly complex workarounds in millions > clients from hundreds of different code bases. If you don't like workarounds, send MIME with quoted-printable or base64 encoding, then no-one will touch your mail in transport except to add Received: headers. > This being the polite interpretation. Ask Dan Bernstein for the > unsweetened version. DJB is not a reference, NIMBY (not in my back yard) principle WRT security and fixes and apologies to the own users, deliberate standard violation, this doesn't at all help his reputation. The gateway demands that 8-bit stuff be advertised at 8-bit stuff in the header. And it has every right to do that, and I cannot find anything wrong with that. Impractical maybe... -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95