From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/39970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stainless Steel Rat Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: thoughts on spam Date: 04 Nov 2001 01:01:47 -0500 Organization: The Happy Fun Ball Brigade Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87y9m9fs6b.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <87elo1exsd.fsf@squeaker.lickey.com> <20011102160930.CC3D1BD52@squeaker.lickey.com> <87wv192jzh.fsf_-_@mclinux.com> <861yjgbygz.fsf@duchess.twilley.org> <20011102235444.E9C73BD48@squeaker.lickey.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035175594 30768 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 04:46:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 24726 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 06:02:30 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 06:02:30 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 160GMA-00063R-00; Sun, 04 Nov 2001 00:02:07 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 04 Nov 2001 00:01:46 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA06075 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 00:01:33 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 24692 invoked by alias); 4 Nov 2001 06:01:48 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 24687 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2001 06:01:48 -0000 Original-Received: from h0060978d8c91.ne.mediaone.net (HELO peorth.gweep.net) (ymjwgc@24.218.202.161) by gnus.org with SMTP; 4 Nov 2001 06:01:48 -0000 Original-Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by peorth.gweep.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fA461lw02878; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 01:01:47 -0500 Original-To: "(ding)" X-Attribution: Rat In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:39970 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:39970 * "Jason R. Mastaler" on Sat, 03 Nov 2001 | Programs like spambouncer are exactly why I wrote TMDA. The reason is | explained under ``Traditional Blacklist-centric Strategy'' at | http://tmda.sf.net/ Whitelists have their own risks that I would rather not have to deal with at the delivery level. For example, I post something to a mailing list, someone wants clarification about that thing and would prefer not to discuss it on the list. His mail bounces because he is not in my whitelist. Sure, he gets a note saying, "here is how to get on Rat's whitelist." That is a pain in the ass, plain and simple. Whitelists do not scale well at all, which is why SpamCop is moving away from a whitelist/blacklist scheme to an heuristic scheme that they have found blocks more spam with fewer false positives than the combined white and black lists. Just FYI. -- Rat \ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \