C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

[Jack Vinson]

Gnus-group-get-new-news is still buggy when I use a prefix argument.  I
have all my interesting mail groups at level 1 and 2, so 'C-u 2 g' in the
*Group* buffer is supposed to 
	1) Get mail from nnmail-spool-file (or what mail-source- variable?)
	2) File that mail appropriately

It does not do this.  There are two things amiss.  
	1) With a prefix, gggnn loops through each group of the
	appropriate level and queries its server.  This means Gnus keeps
	querying my mail server for new mail for EACH group, rather than
	once.  Of course, with multiple backends it should query each
	backend's server one time.  With a normal gggnn, the mail server is
	only queried one time.
	2) Groups /below/ the indicated level are marked with a "*"
	(unknown) for the number of articles.  Something like this was
	happening in 0.74 as well.


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Re: C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

[Michael Harnois]

On 02 Feb 1999 12:58:17 -0600, Jack Vinson <jvinson@chevax.ecs.umass.edu> said:

    > It does not do this.  There are two things amiss.

Yeah. What he said.

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Re: C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jack Vinson <jvinson@chevax.ecs.umass.edu> writes:

> It does not do this.  There are two things amiss.  
> 	1) With a prefix, gggnn loops through each group of the
> 	appropriate level and queries its server.

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.76.

> 	2) Groups /below/ the indicated level are marked with a "*"
> 	(unknown) for the number of articles.  Something like this was
> 	happening in 0.74 as well.

I think that must be the pop3-returns-nil thing that I got a patch
for. 

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Re: C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Jack Vinson <jvinson@chevax.ecs.umass.edu> writes:
> 2) Groups /below/ the indicated level are marked with a "*"
> (unknown) for the number of articles.  Something like this was
> happening in 0.74 as well.

This is caused by the fix to gnus-get-unread-articles which was needed
due to its previous misbehavior of activating groups which should have
been left inactive.  I just edebug'd through it again; we now have the
inverse problem from before.

Prior to the latest fix, gnus-get-unread-articles would activate
native or secondary groups when it shouldn't, because there was no
disabling of the check (using the local var "active") to get the
unread article list.  Now, with "active" being (correctly) nil'd, it
doesn't leave such groups alone, but actually *removes* their status
as open, active groups.

The middle ground needs to be found, so that gnus-activate-level
prevents unopened groups from being opened, but groups which are
already open aren't *reduced* to "unopened" status when doing a
level-specific get-new-news.  In fact, I'd say that what's at issue is
not (er, should not be) based on gnus-activate-level alone, 'cuz the
groups in question are already activated.  There's a semantic gap here
as regards what "level" is in question: There's both activation of any
kind, and there's querying at a particular level regardless of other,
lower priority groups' activation status.  These are not the same
thing, but the code currently treats them as though they were.  Hence,
`C-u 2 g' destroys "opened" status on level 3+ groups in
gnus-get-unread-articles even though they're properly open.

(No words from me on Jack's point #1, about mail backends being
queried for every group on the level in question, except to say that I 
see that problem, too.)

--karl

Re: C-u x gnus-group-get-new-news (pgnus 0.75)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Karl Kleinpaste <karl@justresearch.com> writes:

> The middle ground needs to be found, so that gnus-activate-level
> prevents unopened groups from being opened, 

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.76.

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