From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/81815 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Odd formatting (was: proposal to make null string handling more emacs-y) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:26:35 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83d36wfcf1.fsf@gnu.org> <834ns7g9r8.fsf@gnu.org> <83zk9xheam.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335734823 10190 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2012 21:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Steve Yegge Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 29 23:27:02 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdx-0007WP-Q6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:26:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41194 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdx-0001uM-4n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:26:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40015) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdu-0001uF-3k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdq-0005o7-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:26:53 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:36947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdq-0005ni-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 17:26:50 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SObdc-0006nV-ND; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:26:36 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEW+vcEDAQL5+fopKCrp 6e3V1NgRDxF+fYL////+//6ko6lSUVTaItBnAAACbUlEQVQ4ja3TvWvbQBQA8CNEVVEnLZ7LoYA1 ugeCoiWIE27c5XB0NLSTMWjJEnDJFd1mHDhtRSQQ0cXQNirXqahYbe6f65P80cVeSp/Qoh/v3d27 J0RpzFgC73HMuYU454xZyGIIwtm823DgqdAS7Qtnhui+iNkDUvsiL4b7QambQzA/BOpfIMceLgs1 v1e5GunuFLDhPlJziuMICN+XxZMpaeMKoVcdeJSWxdz3y4c0XYPTQswhx/dzHOHrDWjRAu+6EOGY sx9umk5JkGndlaI0oZTzilUT1+2laar1EiCPMKYJZ5WwK7cLKJdtIPK0roS4GvQma+tdtKVAPGlq 89hfERKs6SlSi+PIw8Ma9tJX0hhDghYu1otTuyY/oQ+2EJIMthAzxBwT/gaoRCXTyQbyEqv5XNYv 4XZEpmVvC8rHeXEr6hdKDU2mP/fcbYaPS3yiHyBDkiab/QVMoYn8/JeaGyPNyk13AKWKxbsP6qNp Mlmnwa5UkRf4rvp2J0TzFVU12WV42OOO+GLLR6O1ngW7llCKx7bIKtlIIcRqtYEFZ4mXPJNNJRot YLttqSl0N+I8Ohm/lo3QTZWxazecQOMBjuAGn1t2FgKI5dvB5HLgpm3GERyCjTJtGlhg+YYMLmu4 qQ742BpmyxlItrTJahqSDhLOqTUSmQhD6KEDAN8DGLhjlpxa1G5kTaCHug5IkE7TFngyWp6N3p+b VQg7mxED0GYc0dixzrD/6bKewjIzqANjV3agk6gsb+sQyhvTTsMGTnSCYUJPv7fFu6b3SIHUGJ9w 3L9XPkwCzILpojn4qy3+Hxz8z2/QxQH4A8y2t11/Zld4AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Various's _Delta Swamp Rock (2)_: "Barefoot Jerry - Come To Me Tonight" In-Reply-To: (Steve Yegge's message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:05:32 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1SObdc-0006nV-ND MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1336339596.97441@zStqYwUe8yXepHJOOiiNZQ X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150144 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:81815 Archived-At: Steve Yegge writes: > I agree with you. Fortunately that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing > that > for a very specific corner of the type system, we merge two separate > meanings of nil. I'm arguing that the empty string as it is used today > is, > for all intents, just another nil. So it should not signal an error if > they are > treated the same. Totally off topic, I was looking at how strange your messages are rendering and wondering whether the mail reader was interpreting your messages incorrectly or something. But here's the (sort of) raw source of that text:
I agree with you. Fortunately that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that
for a very specific corner of the type system, we merge two separate
meanings of nil. I'm arguing that the empty string as it is used today is,
for all intents, just another nil. So it should not signal an error if they are
treated the same.
(This is the text/html part of the multipart message you send.) So your mail reader is wrapping (apparently) random parts of the text in
section, and
section are rendered by shr.el as a block-level elements (which is quite normal, I think). You're posting through Gmail, so I expect to see a lot more of this kind of stuff in the future. Does anybody know why Gmail is doing this, and what shr should be doing to this, er, stuff to render it properly? I can't see any hints in the source of the message that these
s are supposed to be non-block-level elements, but perhaps I'm missing something... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/