From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41656 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Mailing lists and news archiving Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:36:15 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87lmfc8qem.fsf@lackawana.kippona.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035177020 7351 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:10:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 11438 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 21:37:30 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 21:37:30 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16MyV8-0007hs-00; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:37:14 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:37:06 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16691 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:36:52 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 11428 invoked by alias); 5 Jan 2002 21:36:55 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 11423 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 21:36:54 -0000 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org (HELO quimby2.netfonds.no) (195.204.10.66) by gnus.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 21:36:54 -0000 Original-Received: from news by quimby2.netfonds.no with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16MyVn-0000em-00 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:37:55 +0100 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnus.ding Original-Lines: 55 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: quimbies.gnus.org Original-X-Trace: quimby2.netfonds.no 1010266675 2527 195.204.10.148 (5 Jan 2002 21:37:55 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby2.netfonds.no Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2002 21:37:55 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Readymade's _Bold_: "Lonely Boy 'Hard Bossa Mix' (Featuring Juice Aleem)" User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) XEmacs/21.4 (Copyleft, i386-debian-linux) X-Face: 26sL|xbqS^Q>:/[QK{B}V[iY_NY^Vz*w[=~> http://www.mail-archive.com does a good job of this, and we can > even read these as gnus groups with nnwarchive! Yeah, mail-archive.com is pretty good, but I still prefer reading from an nntp server. Even though nnwarchive makes it possible to read the archives with Gnus, it's so much smoother when reading from an nntp server... > For now, mail-archive.com is a gift from Jeff Briedenbach and > VALinux. In the future, who knows? We've already lost > deja-news.com, which was archiving usenet in a similar way. Some > people lost faith in VALinux's approach to http://sourceforge.net > and are cloning it at http://savannah.gnu.org, which is another > indication. Yeah. Difficult to say what's going to happen with all that. People seem quite jittery about sourceforge these days... > I *already* think this is a great idea for distribution. Do you > have the disk space for archiving these, though? Sure. Disks are cheap. :-) If I get serious about doing a real big news server, then I'll probably extend the machine with a nice RAID-ey disk setup, but for now, it just has one biiig IDE disk. > In addition, are newsreaders really good at perusing archived > groups? Even with gnus, I know only how to select the N oldest > articles or M most recent articles, but I can't get range N to M. > (I'm just kidding. I'm certain gnus can do this, but what about > other newsreaders :-) ) Downloading the *whole* archive isn't a good > use of resources. Might it be better to clone mail-archive.com's > approach for archiving? I was actually pondering these very things. How to do a convenient search from Gnus from such a repository? Ok, say you go enter the gnus.xemacs.beta group. (I should come up with a better top level hierarchy, though.) You press the "search" button, and type in a text. Gnus queries Quimby, and gets a list of Message-IDs back. Gnus then requests these headers from the news server, and displays them in the buffer. The query can be via HTTP to some search engine or other running separately on Quimby. For instance a Glimpse thing, or whatever is the done thing these days. I think such a thing could be done without too much work... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen