Operating systems for Statland

Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

I'm thinking I should group newsreaders by operating systems on
Statland, so what systems are there out there?  (I'm not thinking
"obscure", but "actually", as in "tables for the database and buttons
for the registration form".)

Unix
Windows
Windows CE
AmigaOS
Archimedes
BeOS
VMS
DOS
Other

The list of newsreaders can be found at
<URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders>.  It's a bit messy at 
the moment, since I've added buttons to make it easier for me to
search for the newsreaders so that I (or anyone else; please do feel
free to register newsreaders yourself if you have some minutes you
don't know what to do with) can add URLs.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Bud Rogers]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Unix
> Windows
> Windows CE
> AmigaOS
> Archimedes
> BeOS
> VMS
> DOS
> Other

OS/2?

> 
> The list of newsreaders can be found at
> <URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders>.  

Good grief, I had no idea there were so many.  Don't people have anything
better to do than write more newsreaders?  :}

I registered URLs for Forte Agent and knews.  The closest I could find to a
home page for trn is the hypertext FAQ at ohio-state.edu.  Would that be
appropriate for your table?

-- 

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net>
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Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Bjørn Mork]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I'm thinking I should group newsreaders by operating systems on
> Statland, so what systems are there out there?  (I'm not thinking
> "obscure", but "actually", as in "tables for the database and buttons
> for the registration form".)
> 
> Unix
> Windows
> Windows CE
> AmigaOS
> Archimedes
> BeOS
> VMS
> DOS
> Other

Hey! OS/2 is actually used.


Bjørn
.

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Matt Armstrong]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I'm thinking I should group newsreaders by operating systems on
> Statland, so what systems are there out there?  (I'm not thinking
> "obscure", but "actually", as in "tables for the database and buttons
> for the registration form".)
> 
> Windows CE

There are newsreaders for Palm OS as well.


-- 
matta

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Hans de Graaff]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> The list of newsreaders can be found at
> <URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders>.  It's a bit messy
> at the moment, since I've added buttons to make it easier for me to
> search for the newsreaders so that I (or anyone else; please do feel
> free to register newsreaders yourself if you have some minutes you
> don't know what to do with) can add URLs.

I didn't find xvnews in your list of newsreaders, and didn't see a way 
to add it.

Hans

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Bud Rogers <budr@sirinet.net> writes:

> OS/2?

I've now added that and Apple and Atari.

> I registered URLs for Forte Agent and knews.  The closest I could find to a
> home page for trn is the hypertext FAQ at ohio-state.edu.  Would that be
> appropriate for your table?

Yup.

There's now a bunch more URLs added; thanks to y'all, whoever y'all
are.  But please do add more.
<URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders>.  After more have
been added, I can start grouping them by operating system and make the
thing actually useful.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Matt Armstrong <mattdav+matt@best.com> writes:

> There are newsreaders for Palm OS as well.

Ok; I'll add that as well.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[John H Palmieri]

Hans de Graaff <graaff@xs4all.nl> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> 
> > The list of newsreaders can be found at
> > <URL:http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders>.
> 
> I didn't find xvnews in your list of newsreaders, and didn't see a way 
> to add it.

Similarly with MT-NewsWatcher:
  operating system: MacOS   (maybe a better name for it than "Apple",
     which is what Statland currently uses)
  URL: http://www.best.com/~smfr/mtnw/mtnewswatcher.html

(This is a variant of NewsWatcher, which is on the list, but is a
different program, hence has a different URL.)

-- 
John H. Palmieri
e-mail: palmieri.2@nd.edu              205 Computing/Mathematics Building
URL:http://www.nd.edu/~jpalmier/       University of Notre Dame
(219) 631-8846                         Notre Dame, IN 46556

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hans de Graaff <graaff@xs4all.nl> writes:

> I didn't find xvnews in your list of newsreaders, and didn't see a way 
> to add it.

Ok; I'll add it.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

John H Palmieri <John.H.Palmieri.2@nd.edu> writes:

> (This is a variant of NewsWatcher, which is on the list, but is a
> different program, hence has a different URL.)

I assumes that all the Newswatchers were the same program.  They
aren't?  How many of them are there?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Edward J. Sabol]

Excerpts from mail: (15-Dec-98) Re: Operating systems for Statland by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> John H Palmieri <John.H.Palmieri.2@nd.edu> writes:
>> (This is a variant of NewsWatcher, which is on the list, but is a
>> different program, hence has a different URL.)
>
> I assumes that all the Newswatchers were the same program.  They
> aren't?  How many of them are there?

No, not really. NewsWatcher is quasi-open source, and the tree has forked
several times. The original NewsWatcher has maybe one release per year,
mostly to keep it working gracefully with Mac OS updates or when a serious
bug is found. MT-NewsWatcher is actually more popular than the original due
to it's multi-threaded user interface. There's also Yet Another NewsWatcher
(a.k.a. YA-NewsWatcher) and Value-Added NewsWatcher (a.k.a. VA-NewsWatcher)
and Word Services-NewsWatcher (a.k.a. WS-NewsWatcher). All of which adds
various features. Development has pretty much halted on YA- and VA-, but YA-
is still very popular. It used to be the most popular. It was number 13 on
the newsreader posting chart (November 1998 statistics) compiled at
<http://www.cs.uit.no/~kjelli/newschart.html>. MT-NewsWatcher was number 11.

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:

> No, not really. NewsWatcher is quasi-open source, and the tree has forked
> several times. The original NewsWatcher has maybe one release per year,
> mostly to keep it working gracefully with Mac OS updates or when a serious
> bug is found. MT-NewsWatcher is actually more popular than the original due
> to it's multi-threaded user interface. There's also Yet Another NewsWatcher
> (a.k.a. YA-NewsWatcher) and Value-Added NewsWatcher (a.k.a. VA-NewsWatcher)
> and Word Services-NewsWatcher (a.k.a. WS-NewsWatcher).

Yikes.

But isn't it reasonable to consider these all to be Newswatcher, only
different versions, just as I consider all Mozillas to be Mozilla and
all trns to be trn, and stuff...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Edward J. Sabol]

Excerpts from mail: (15-Dec-98) Re: Operating systems for Statland by Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> But isn't it reasonable to consider these all to be Newswatcher, only
> different versions, just as I consider all Mozillas to be Mozilla and
> all trns to be trn, and stuff...

In my opinion, no, but I don't really care one way or the other. All Mozilla
newsreaders have been released by one entity, namely Netscape (so far
anyway). The various NewsWatchers have different (though similar) user
interfaces, different feature sets, and different source code
maintainers/developers. I think it would be akin to considering SEMI and Gnus
to be the same newsreader for Statland... Or XEmacs and Emacs to be the same
editor if you were compiling editor usage statistics.

P.S. I also recommend changing "Apple" to "Mac OS".

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[John H Palmieri]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> "Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
> 
> > No, not really. NewsWatcher is quasi-open source, and the tree has forked
> > several times. 
> 
> Yikes.
> 
> But isn't it reasonable to consider these all to be Newswatcher, only
> different versions, just as I consider all Mozillas to be Mozilla and
> all trns to be trn, and stuff...

Maybe.  It depends, for example, on what the URL for each newsreader
at 

  http://quimby.gnus.org/cgi-bin/newsreaders

is supposed to do.  There used to be a web page which kept track of
all of the versions of NewsWatcher, but it seems to have disappeared.
Since such a thing doesn't exist, it might be useful to specify a URL
for each one.  (Whereas with Mozilla, you can give a single URL and be
content, with the different NewsWatchers, people will not find
MT-NewsWatcher if they go to the site for NewsWatcher, etc.)

-- 
John H. Palmieri
e-mail: palmieri.2@nd.edu              205 Computing/Mathematics Building
URL:http://www.nd.edu/~jpalmier/       University of Notre Dame
(219) 631-8846                         Notre Dame, IN 46556

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:

> I think it would be akin to considering SEMI and Gnus
> to be the same newsreader for Statland...

But I do.  :-)

> P.S. I also recommend changing "Apple" to "Mac OS".

Done.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

"Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:

> > I assumes that all the Newswatchers were the same program.  They
> > aren't?  How many of them are there?
> 
> No, not really. NewsWatcher is quasi-open source, and the tree has forked
> several times.

Ok; I'll be splitting NewsWatcher up.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

0.66 - Signaling: (void-function find-charset-region)

[Roman Milner]

	On sending message with mime attachments I get:

Signaling: (void-function find-charset-region)
  find-charset-region(1 8)
  rfc2047-dissect-region(1 8)
  rfc2047-encode-region(1 8)
  mail-encode-encoded-word-string("fffffff")
  mml-insert-mime-headers((part (type . "image/gif") (filename . "/stuff/root/pythonpowered.gif") (description . "fffffff") (contents . "")) "image/gif" nil base64)
  mml-generate-mime-1((part (type . "image/gif") (filename . "/stuff/root/pythonpowered.gif") (description . "fffffff") (contents . "")))
  mml-generate-mime()
  message-encode-message-body()
  message-send-mail(nil)
  message-send-via-mail(nil)
  message-send(nil)
  message-send-and-exit(nil)
  call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)


	Maybe because I don't have mule?  I'm using XEmacs 21.0-b60.

	Thanks,
	^Roman

Re: 0.66 - Signaling: (void-function find-charset-region)

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Roman Milner <roman@speeder.com> writes:

> 	On sending message with mime attachments I get:
> 
> Signaling: (void-function find-charset-region)

Yup.  Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.69.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Robert Bihlmeyer]

Hi,

>>>>> On 17 Dec 1998 18:18:47 +0100
>>>>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

 Lars> "Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
 >> I think it would be akin to considering SEMI and Gnus to be the
 >> same newsreader for Statland...

 Lars> But I do. :-)

A little cheating to get Gnus further up the charts?

	Robbe

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Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Per Abrahamsen]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> "Edward J. Sabol" <sabol@alderaan.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>
> > P.S. I also recommend changing "Apple" to "Mac OS".
> 
> Done.

Then perhaps also Atari to TOS?

Re: Operating systems for Statland

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Robert Bihlmeyer <e9426626@stud2.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

> A little cheating to get Gnus further up the charts?

No, a sane little division between things that are the same and things 
that are different.  I count Free Agent and Agent as the same thing,
for instance.

-- 
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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen