* problem with nnrss and slashdot @ 2006-06-16 10:51 joakim 2006-06-21 15:15 ` Mark Plaksin 2006-08-07 10:44 ` joakim 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: joakim @ 2006-06-16 10:51 UTC (permalink / raw) I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? -- Joakim Verona http://www.verona.se ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-06-16 10:51 problem with nnrss and slashdot joakim @ 2006-06-21 15:15 ` Mark Plaksin 2006-08-07 10:44 ` joakim 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Mark Plaksin @ 2006-06-21 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) joakim@verona.se writes: > I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new > copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? I have this problem with CVS Gnus in nearly all of my nnrss groups. It started some time in the past 2 or 3 weeks. Haven't had a chance to debug it yet. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-06-16 10:51 problem with nnrss and slashdot joakim 2006-06-21 15:15 ` Mark Plaksin @ 2006-08-07 10:44 ` joakim 2006-08-09 2:52 ` Dave Goldberg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: joakim @ 2006-08-07 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw) joakim@verona.se writes: > I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new > copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? This problem remains. Is there anything I can do to help debug it? Specifically I'm having problems with the slashdot rss feed. > -- > Joakim Verona > http://www.verona.se > > > -- Joakim Verona ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-08-07 10:44 ` joakim @ 2006-08-09 2:52 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-08-09 12:43 ` Mark Plaksin 2006-08-09 22:16 ` Dave Goldberg 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Dave Goldberg @ 2006-08-09 2:52 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:44:58 +0200, joakim@verona.se said: > joakim@verona.se writes: >> I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new >> copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? > This problem remains. Is there anything I can do to help debug it? > Specifically I'm having problems with the slashdot rss feed. Just yesterday I decided to give gnus a try as an rss reader and slashdot was one of my test cases. I see the same behavior as above. However, I don't see it with a couple other feeds. I also took a look at the changelogs and nnrss doesn't seem to have changed in some time. Assuming it did work correctly once, I suspect that slashdot has made some change that gnus is not prepared for. Also, I also gave nnslashdot a try but that has the articles all in html which I find painful as I avoid html mails in general and when I do I filter through lynx which no longer seems to work properly on cygwin. Is there a better way to render html in XEmacs on cygwin? I tried w3m many moons ago but had trouble getting it to configure and compile. Thanks, -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-08-09 2:52 ` Dave Goldberg @ 2006-08-09 12:43 ` Mark Plaksin 2006-08-10 6:42 ` joakim 2006-08-09 22:16 ` Dave Goldberg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Mark Plaksin @ 2006-08-09 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:44:58 +0200, joakim@verona.se said: > >> joakim@verona.se writes: >>> I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new >>> copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? > >> This problem remains. Is there anything I can do to help debug it? >> Specifically I'm having problems with the slashdot rss feed. > > Just yesterday I decided to give gnus a try as an rss reader and > slashdot was one of my test cases. I see the same behavior as above. > However, I don't see it with a couple other feeds. I also took a look > at the changelogs and nnrss doesn't seem to have changed in some time. > Assuming it did work correctly once, I suspect that slashdot has made > some change that gnus is not prepared for. For me it happens in most of my nnrss groups. Not all of them but almost all of them. So I think it's Gnus that changed and not all the RSS feeds. I hope to have time to debug the problem in the next week or three. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-08-09 12:43 ` Mark Plaksin @ 2006-08-10 6:42 ` joakim 2006-08-10 20:01 ` David Hansen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: joakim @ 2006-08-10 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ding I was able to solve this problem localy for slashdot, after some research. There are several related threads on this: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63268 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62613 Looking in nnrss-check-group, a message ID is sythesized out of an rss article by means of printing the lisp representation to a string and do a md5 on it. This md5 is used to determine if the article has changed. Slashdot includes tags like: "( slash:department nil "development-has-to-come-from-somewhere") . " "( slash:section nil "developers") . " "( slash:comments nil "46") . " "( slash:hit_parade nil "46,44,36,28,12,3,1") . " The number of comments vary with each rss poll, which makes the article appear new again. I tried a local patch whitch filters away slash: tags before md5. This works but isnt a general solution. I think the best would be, given the reasoning in the threads above, to allow both article-md5, and date-md5 methods, selectable on a feed basis. Mark Plaksin <happy@mcplaksin.org> writes: > Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> writes: > >>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:44:58 +0200, joakim@verona.se said: >> >>> joakim@verona.se writes: >>>> I recently upgraded gnus, and now the rss feed from slashdot get new >>>> copies everytime i update the group. Any hints? >> >>> This problem remains. Is there anything I can do to help debug it? >>> Specifically I'm having problems with the slashdot rss feed. >> >> Just yesterday I decided to give gnus a try as an rss reader and >> slashdot was one of my test cases. I see the same behavior as above. >> However, I don't see it with a couple other feeds. I also took a look >> at the changelogs and nnrss doesn't seem to have changed in some time. >> Assuming it did work correctly once, I suspect that slashdot has made >> some change that gnus is not prepared for. > > For me it happens in most of my nnrss groups. Not all of them but almost > all of them. So I think it's Gnus that changed and not all the RSS feeds. > > I hope to have time to debug the problem in the next week or three. > > > -- Joakim Verona http://www.verona.se ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-08-10 6:42 ` joakim @ 2006-08-10 20:01 ` David Hansen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: David Hansen @ 2006-08-10 20:01 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:42:51 +0200 joakim@verona.se wrote: > I was able to solve this problem localy for slashdot, after some > research. > > There are several related threads on this: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/63268 > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/62613 This reads as it should be enough to hash the date and the URL (and maybe the description as well). I think this would work for most if not all feeds. Anyone any objections? I think with XML namespaces there can arbitrarily tags within an <item>. So i don't think it's a good idea to filter out specific tags before hashing. Another possibility might be to use all dc: and rss: tags for hashing (but not sure though). I can hack something up, but I'm not an RSS/XML expert. Before wasting time on boring code i would like to hear if it makes any sense. David. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: problem with nnrss and slashdot 2006-08-09 2:52 ` Dave Goldberg 2006-08-09 12:43 ` Mark Plaksin @ 2006-08-09 22:16 ` Dave Goldberg 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Dave Goldberg @ 2006-08-09 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw) >>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:52:44 -0400, Dave Goldberg <david.goldberg6@verizon.net> said: > Also, I also gave nnslashdot a try but that has the articles all in > html which I find painful as I avoid html mails in general and when I > do I filter through lynx which no longer seems to work properly on > cygwin. Is there a better way to render html in XEmacs on cygwin? I > tried w3m many moons ago but had trouble getting it to configure and > compile. Ignore that. Stupid typo in an environment setting confused lynx. I can render html satisfactorily again. -- Dave Goldberg david.goldberg6@verizon.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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