Piping article + header

Piping article + header

[Vin Shelton]

I need to be able to save an article as a file with a name based on
its message-id.  In order to do this, I wrote a simple filter (in
*gasp* perl - I know, I should probably turn in my XEmacs decoder ring
for not using elisp, but I thought it would be cool to have something
that worked from the shell command line).  The filter extracts the
message-id from the header and saves the message to a file name based
on the message-id.  This works fine standalone, but when I try to use
gnus-summary-pipe-output, the Message-id: header has been elided from
the article.  If I add 'Message-id' to gnus-visible-headers, my filter
works fine, but that's a pretty yucky solution, 'cause most of the
time I don't want to see the message-id.

Basically what I need is a way to make all headers visible before
calling gnus-summary-pipe-output.  I tried using advice to do this:

  (defadvice gnus-summary-pipe-output
    (around acs::show-all-headers-visible activate)
    "Make all headers visible before piping the message to a program"
    (let ((gnus-show-all-headers t))
          ad-do-it))

but it appears that gnus-show-all-headers must be non-nil _at the time
the article is displayed_.  Essentially, my advice had no effect.

Is there any way to make the entire article (header + body) available
to my filter?  Does anyone have any thoughts, comments or suggestions?

TIA,
  Vin

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Re: Piping article + header

[Kai Großjohann]

Can you type `t |' instead of `|'?
kai
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Re: Piping article + header

[Vin Shelton]

D'oh! Yes, that seems pretty simple.

TIA,
  vin

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> Can you type `t |' instead of `|'?

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Re: Piping article + header

[Kai Großjohann]

Vin Shelton <acs@xemacs.org> writes:

> D'oh! Yes, that seems pretty simple.

It's only a workaround, though.  Hm.  It's not clear to me whether
the headers should be there or not.  It seems easy enough to decide
what to pass to the shell command by hitting `t' or `C-u g' or
suchlike first, but it's so _manual_.  Hm.

Does anyone have an idea what should happen?

kai
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Re: Piping article + header

[Frank Schmitt]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> It's only a workaround, though.  Hm.  It's not clear to me whether
> the headers should be there or not.  It seems easy enough to decide
> what to pass to the shell command by hitting `t' or `C-u g' or
> suchlike first, but it's so _manual_.  Hm.
>
> Does anyone have an idea what should happen?

Define a function pipe-with headers, which first toggles headers, then
pipes and then toggles headers again? Or make C-u | do it?

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Re: Piping article + header

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Frank Schmitt quotation:

> Define a function pipe-with headers, which first toggles headers, then
> pipes and then toggles headers again? Or make C-u | do it?

I'd vote for `C-u |', if this were in fact a vote.

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Re: Piping article + header

[Kai Großjohann]

Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:

> Define a function pipe-with headers, which first toggles headers, then
> pipes and then toggles headers again? Or make C-u | do it?

Let's talk about the user interface, not the implementation.

So C-u | should pipe with all headers.  But is an incompatible
change, it now pipes 4 articles.

How should we pipe the raw article?

kai
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Re: Piping article + header

[Kai Großjohann]

Jan Rychter <jan@rychter.com> writes:

>>>>>> "Kai" == Kai Gro <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE>:
>  Kai> Vin Shelton <acs@xemacs.org> writes:
>  >> D'oh! Yes, that seems pretty simple.
>
>  Kai> It's only a workaround, though.  Hm.  It's not clear to me whether
>  Kai> the headers should be there or not.  It seems easy enough to
>  Kai> decide what to pass to the shell command by hitting `t' or `C-u g'
>  Kai> or suchlike first, but it's so _manual_.  Hm.
>
>  Kai> Does anyone have an idea what should happen?
>
> Why would you ever want to pipe an article *without* headers?

Note that `|' pipes the headers you see, instead of no headers at all.

People might have been doing `| lpr', and surely there it makes sense
to pipe only the displayed (presumably, the important) headers,
instead of all headers.

kai
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Re: Piping article + header

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Kai Großjohann quotation:

> Frank Schmitt <usereplyto@Frank-Schmitt.net> writes:
>
>> Define a function pipe-with headers, which first toggles headers,
>> then pipes and then toggles headers again? Or make C-u | do it?
>
> Let's talk about the user interface, not the implementation.
>
> So C-u | should pipe with all headers.  But is an incompatible
> change, it now pipes 4 articles.

Oops, I withdraw my vote.

> How should we pipe the raw article?

Negative prefix?

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Re: Piping article + header

[Kai Großjohann]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> Negative prefix?

Heh, that pipes the previous N articles (instead of the next N, for a
positive prefix).

One _could_ use a prefix arg of 0...

kai
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Re: Piping article + header

[Sean Neakums]

commence  Kai Großjohann quotation:

> Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:
>
>> Negative prefix?
>
> Heh, that pipes the previous N articles (instead of the next N, for
> a positive prefix).
>
> One _could_ use a prefix arg of 0...

It'd be nice if the headers-or-not flag were orthogonal to the numeric
prefix entirely, so that one could pipe N articles with our without
full headers.  How about the symbolic prefix?  `M-i h |', perhaps?

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Re: Piping article + header

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Sean Neakums <sneakums@zork.net> writes:

> It'd be nice if the headers-or-not flag were orthogonal to the numeric
> prefix entirely, so that one could pipe N articles with our without
> full headers.  How about the symbolic prefix?  `M-i h |', perhaps?

I've now done this.

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