From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/41595 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: `gnus-unseen-mark' everywhere Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:12:51 -0500 Organization: What did you have in mind? A short, blunt, human pyramid? Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <86elld3ptd.fsf@i2d.home> <86666nc1a0.fsf@i2d.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035176967 7021 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 05:09:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 3826 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 21:14:39 -0000 Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu (mail@129.7.128.13) by mastaler.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 21:14:39 -0000 Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu ([129.7.128.10] ident=lists) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 16MbeM-0005iy-00; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:13:14 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:13:02 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (qmailr@sclp3.sclp.com [209.196.61.66]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09929 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:12:51 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 3795 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2002 21:12:54 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 3790 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 21:12:54 -0000 Original-Received: from multivac.student.cwru.edu (HELO multivac.cwru.edu) (qmail-remote@129.22.96.25) by gnus.org with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 21:12:54 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 24590 invoked by uid 500); 4 Jan 2002 21:13:13 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:43:30 +0100") Mail-Copies-To: nobody Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 35 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090005 (Oort Gnus v0.05) Emacs/20.7 (i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41595 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:41595 Simon Josefsson wrote: > prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) writes: >> Well, at least some things other than "seen" should probably be still >> dealt with as they are now. E.g., "cache" really shouldn't be stored >> in any backend, because the information "cache" represents has nothing >> to do with what is stored in the backend. > > Hm. One could argue (as I probably did in our last discussion) that > the "seen" mark does not have to do with anything in the backend > either. It doesn't have to do with the backend itself, but it does have to do with what is stored via the backend - i.e., the articles. OTOH, "cache" has to do with information always stored outside the backend. There's nothing outside the backend that "seen" depends on, or must be synchronized with, etc. >> Gnus could define a list of marks that are supposed to be per-user in >> shared groups; [...] Backends could then DTRT with whichever marks >> are included in that variable ... > Right now the dichotomy is between marks that belong in backends and > marks that doesn't belong there, and among the few marks that doesn't > belong in backends (seen cache download unsend score) only "seen" is > questionable. Or else all the others are; I think last time, the idea appeared that the information represented by those marks should perhaps not be represented by marks at all, but instead by something else. Did anything ever come of the proposed cache/agent unification? I think such a project could also handle the de-mark-ification of at least "cache" and "download", right? paul