From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/33719 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stainless Steel Rat Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Disable generation of "Sender: " by default. Date: 17 Dec 2000 11:31:11 -0500 Organization: The Happy Fun Ball Brigade Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035169771 26566 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:09:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from lisa.math.uh.edu (lisa.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.49]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D249FD049D for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by lisa.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAB27623; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:31:42 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:31:05 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@66-209.196.61.interliant.com [209.196.61.66] (may be forged)) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03310 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:30:53 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from peorth.gweep.net (h0060978d8c91.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.75.115]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204AD049D for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:31:17 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from ratinox@localhost) by peorth.gweep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01316; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:31:11 -0500 Original-To: "(ding)" X-Attribution: Rat In-Reply-To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE's message of "17 Dec 2000 13:29:50 +0100" Original-Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33719 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:33719 * Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 | Gack. I still feel that the intent of the Sender header is the same | in RFC 822 and 1036, but it's only a feeling. RFC 822: Sender is the agent responsibible for submitting a message to the network when he is someone other than the originator of the message. Ie, if you write a message and I send it, you are the originator (From) and I am the submitter (Sender). Sender is generated by hand -- never software -- when more than one agent is involved. It exists only to denote this fact. RFC 1036: Sender exists as a crude authentication mechanism. Sender is the authenticated (by software) local mailbox of the originator of the message when that mailbox differs from the one in the originator header. Ie, if I am on, say, skuld.gweep.net w/ login 'ratinox' and I post a news article with 'grumble@bogus.com' as my From header, then some program somewhere must generate 'Sender: ratinox@skuld.gweep.net'. They are not even vaguely close to each other. My opinion is that RFC 1036's Sender is badly broken, because it utterly fails to accomplish its goal. RFC 822's Sender does exactly what it is intended to do, no more, no less. -- Rat \ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ head.