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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Subject: Re: some mail annoyances
Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:19:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m37lohnomf.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Per Bothner's message of "21 Jun 1999 17:36:24 -0700"

This was a useful discussion, and I've now summarized the points for a 
new node in the manual -- "Mail in a Newsreader".

I'll just include it here; please do suggest changes that will make
things clearer, since this is a quite important subject.


Mail in a Newsreader
--------------------

   If you are used to traditional mail readers, but have decided to
switch to reading mail with Gnus, you may find yourself experiencing
something of a culture shock.

   Gnus does not behave like traditional mail readers.  If you want to
make it behave that way, you can, but it's an uphill battle.

   Gnus, by default, handles all its group using the same approach.
This approach is very newsreaderly--you enter a group, see the
new/unread messages, and when you read the messages, they get marked as
read, and you don't see them any more.  (Unless you explicitly ask for
them.)

   In particular, you do not do anything explicitly to delete messages.

   Does this mean that all the messages that have been marked as read
are deleted?  How awful!

   But, no, it means that old messages are "expired" according to some
scheme or other.  For news messages, the expire process is controlled by
the news administrator; for mail, the expire process is controlled by
you.  The expire process for mail is covered in depth in *note Expiring
Mail::..

   What many Gnus users find, after using it a while for both news and
mail, is that the transport becomes more and more irrelevant.  What
becomes important is the size of the receiving audience.

   Many people subscribe to several mailing lists.  These are
transported via SMTP, and are therefore mail.  Some people have local
news groups which have only a handful of readers.  These are
transported via NNTP, and are therefore news.

   The important distinction turns out to be not the transport
mechanism, but whether the messages are "personal" or "public".  Many
users then subtly alter the behavior of Gnus according to these two
categories.

   Some users never get comfortable using the Gnus (ahem) paradigm and
wish that Gnus should grow up and be a male, er, mail reader.  It is
possible to whip Gnus into a more mailreaderly being, but, as said
before, it's not easy.  People who prefer proper mail readers should
try VM instead, which is an excellent, and proper, mail reader.

   I don't mean to scare anybody off, but I want to make it clear that
you may be required to learn a new way of thinking about messages.
After you've been subjected to The Gnus Way, you will come to love it.
I can guarantee it.  (At least the guy who sold me the Emacs Subliminal
Brain-Washing Functions that I've put into Gnus did guarantee it.  You
Will Be Assimilated.  You Love Gnus.  You Love The Gnus Mail Way.  You
Do.)


-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen


  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-07-04  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-22  0:36 Per Bothner
1999-06-22  2:04 ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-22  8:20 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22  8:23 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-22 12:00   ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-22 22:34     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:39     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:25   ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-22 12:53 ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 17:48   ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:20     ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  7:00       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:44         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:50           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  8:18           ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-22 18:58     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-22 19:29       ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-22 19:33         ` Finding a given in an nnml group (was: Re: some mail annoyances [renumbering]) Laura Conrad
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 19:48           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  6:54           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 15:36             ` Laura Conrad
1999-06-23 17:46               ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24  9:10               ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 20:39           ` Justin Sheehy
1999-06-22 21:13         ` some mail annoyances [renumbering] Tony Lam
1999-06-23  7:05         ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-23 19:33         ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 23:25           ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  0:27             ` David Hedbor
1999-06-28 15:45               ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23  6:45     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 18:34       ` Being forced to deal with message numbers and frustrated Tony Lam
1999-06-23 19:56         ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-23 22:13           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  0:20             ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-24  6:44               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  9:19                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:21                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 14:58               ` Peter von der Ahé - at home
1999-06-24 15:37                 ` Norbert Koch
1999-06-24 17:58                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25 19:47                   ` David Hedbor
1999-06-25 20:56                     ` Matt Pharr
1999-06-28  1:53                       ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 15:48                 ` Lee Willis
1999-06-24 18:01                   ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24  8:42             ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-24 17:05               ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24 23:06                 ` Sam Falkner
1999-06-24  9:17             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24  9:14         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 19:00           ` Tony Lam
1999-06-24 20:41             ` David S. Goldberg
1999-06-24 21:07             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-24 21:38               ` Tony Lam
1999-06-25  6:14                 ` Soeren Laursen
1999-07-04  1:30         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 18:33   ` some mail annoyances [deleting mail] Per Bothner
1999-06-22 18:33     ` Jack Twilley
1999-06-22 18:54       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 19:15     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:10       ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23  7:32         ` Yair Friedman
1999-06-23  7:46         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 12:13         ` Randal L. Schwartz
1999-06-22 19:18     ` Nathan Williams
1999-06-23  7:51       ` Per Bothner
1999-06-23  6:58     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  7:23     ` Yair Friedman
1999-07-04  1:37     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-06-22 19:37   ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-23  0:48   ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23  7:42     ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-23  7:49       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23 14:20       ` Dmitry Yaitskov
1999-06-23 19:15         ` some mail annoyances [article number overflow] Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-23 21:02           ` Colin Rafferty
1999-06-23 21:09             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-22 12:58 ` some mail annoyances David S. Goldberg
1999-06-22 14:33 ` Steinar Bang
1999-06-22 16:43   ` Vin Shelton
1999-06-23  6:42     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-23  6:47     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-06-23 14:24 ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-24 21:19 ` Per Bothner
1999-06-25  3:18   ` Christian Nybø
1999-06-25 20:34     ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-25 23:51       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  0:07         ` Ken McGlothlen
1999-06-26  0:19           ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:05             ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-26  2:28               ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-26  2:46                 ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-27 13:32                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 21:15                     ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 23:43                       ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-27 22:30                     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28  2:49                       ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28  8:09                         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-28 15:24                           ` Harry Putnam
1999-06-28 15:50                             ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-26  9:32                 ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-06-27 13:34                   ` Stainless Steel Rat
1999-06-28 13:58             ` Kim-Minh Kaplan
1999-06-26 13:16           ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-28 15:37             ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-28 20:43               ` Wes Hardaker
1999-06-28 20:57                 ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25  5:10   ` Russ Allbery
1999-06-25 13:21   ` Per Abrahamsen
1999-06-25 13:25     ` Didier Verna
1999-06-25 13:39       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:43       ` Karl Kleinpaste
1999-06-25 13:52         ` customizing (was Re: some mail annoyances) Paul Stevenson
1999-07-04  2:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
1999-07-04  2:44   ` some mail annoyances Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  3:19     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:15       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04  6:37         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04  6:51           ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 13:15           ` Hrvoje Niksic
1999-07-04 17:00     ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04 19:01       ` Harry Putnam
1999-07-04 19:31         ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-04  6:37   ` Hans de Graaff
1999-07-05  3:11     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-04 16:58   ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-05  3:13     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  9:28       ` Kai.Grossjohann
1999-07-06  3:58         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05  7:45     ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06  4:02       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-06  6:47         ` Jaap-Henk Hoepman
1999-07-06 15:54           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-05 16:22     ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-05 18:32       ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 11:30         ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-07 14:20           ` François Pinard
1999-07-07 14:22             ` Lee Willis
1999-07-12 11:40             ` Robert Bihlmeyer
1999-07-06  3:59       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-13  5:22     ` Rob Browning
1999-07-13 11:29       ` Kai Großjohann
1999-07-04 18:18   ` lconrad
1999-07-05  3:17     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-07  0:34   ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-07  2:46     ` lconrad
1999-07-09 16:59     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-09 18:39       ` Peter von der Ahé
1999-07-09 19:15         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1999-07-28  7:36   ` Rob Browning

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