From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/22418 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jack Twilley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Once again: PGnus & PGP Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:44:21 GMT Organization: SunSITE Denmark (sunsite.auc.dk) Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <19990407183048.A29643@diabolo.ndh.net> <99Apr8.153506edt.13862-3@gateway.intersys.com> <19990411101448.A523@psyche.clear.net.nz> <871zhq5msx.fsf@psyche.evansnet> <87u2ul4o5e.fsf@psyche.evansnet> Reply-To: jmt+usenet@nycap.rr.com NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035160342 29215 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:32:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from farabi.math.uh.edu (farabi.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.57]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24309 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by farabi.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAB03604; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:45:05 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:45:28 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25866 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:45:17 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sunsite.auc.dk (sunsite.auc.dk [130.225.51.30]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24150 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (qmail 8948 invoked by uid 509); 12 Apr 1999 20:44:21 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: emacs.ding X-Attribution: Jack X-PGP-Key: 0x007F7B38 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5315 7434 6095 DF36 995B 3407 18F1 527C 007F 7B38 X-Face: -aT_3D,@|Ngv8(RriE+AA_SZAPp-vuRGEbW8Yjd3J4V:ipbK3UQsOnMT{9T}h@sr17q%cX27q4Dc^vq]vc*A`.hnG8DSW#@G5~v"WeP-/06JM(-TkixR>>>> "David" == David S Goldberg writes: Jack> Again, my issue with this is this whole "raw contents" part. David> Huh? Just what did you think the signature was based on? David> If/when pgnus does pgp/mime natively, it's going to have to David> work on the raw contents since that's what's been signed. David> Or do I misunderstand your objection? My objection is to the definition of the term. I tried to extract the entire "raw contents" using standard MIME tools, and I failed to extract anything that could be successfully verified by the signature. Therefore, "raw contents" is too nebulous for me to even begin to implement the verification process. Jack> Sounds like it'd be easier to just do it the Right Way Jack> instead of faking it. David> According to the pgp/mime draft[1] that is the "Right David> Way"[2] to deal with pgp/mime. That some mail systems do David> it more transparently than others is strictly a matter of David> implementation. If you use an older version of gnus with David> tm, it works just fine. I'm saying that the Right Way is the way Rat and others do it, and that this PGP/MIME hooey is Stupid Evil. PGP/MIME is the Wrong Way, by virtue of the stuff I did above. If I sign a message the way Rat and others do it (if there's a better name for the standard, let me know), then I can verify it easily whether I'm using Gnus or hotmail.com or anything at all. This stuff, I can't do by hand. Jack. (the Ratstandard?) -- Jack Twilley jmt@nycap.rr.com .