Encoding Γειά σας

Encoding Γειά σας

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Most of the iso-8859-* charsets are encoded with the Q encoding (as in
this article).  This obviously makes sense for *-1 and *-2, but does
it makes sense for them all?  The text above encodes all characters,
and that would surely be more efficiently done using the B encoding...

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  larsi@ifi.uio.no * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

> Most of the iso-8859-* charsets are encoded with the Q encoding (as in
> this article).  This obviously makes sense for *-1 and *-2, but does
> it makes sense for them all?  The text above encodes all characters,
> and that would surely be more efficiently done using the B encoding...

This subject line appears correctly in this reply, and in the article
buffer. However, in the message buffer, it appears as 

E  [  10: Lars Magne Ingebrigt] Encoding ~~~~ ~~~

This is not desirable.

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 "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, 
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Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net> writes:

> This subject line appears correctly in this reply, and in the article
> buffer. However, in the message buffer, it appears as 
> 
> E  [  10: Lars Magne Ingebrigt] Encoding ~~~~ ~~~

Huh.  Hm.  I can't seem to get it so display thusly...

What do you mean by "correctly", by the way?  As Greek letters?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> What do you mean by "correctly", by the way?  As Greek letters?

Yup.

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Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA 
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 "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, 
  they don't have to worry about the answers."
       -- Thomas Pynchon

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net> writes:

> > What do you mean by "correctly", by the way?  As Greek letters?
> 
> Yup.

Hm.  I get greek letters in all the buffers -- summary, article and
message.  Do you run a muletilated XEmacs?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Michael Harnois]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hm.  I get greek letters in all the buffers -- summary, article and
> message.  Do you run a muletilated XEmacs?

I do indeed.

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Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA 
mharnois@sbt.net                      aa0bt@aa0bt.ampr.org 
 "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, 
  they don't have to worry about the answers."
       -- Thomas Pynchon

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Michael Harnois <mharnois@sbt.net> writes:

> > Hm.  I get greek letters in all the buffers -- summary, article and
> > message.  Do you run a muletilated XEmacs?
> 
> I do indeed.

Do you see anything that's different about the former buffer from the
two other buffers that can explain why the Greek characters aren't
displayed in that buffer?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Stephen Zander]

>>>>> "Lars" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@ifi.uio.no> writes:

    Lars> Most of the iso-8859-* charsets are encoded with the Q
    Lars> encoding (as in this article).  This obviously makes sense
    Lars> for *-1 and *-2, but does it makes sense for them all?  The
    Lars> text above encodes all characters, and that would surely be
    Lars> more efficiently done using the B encoding...

Did you mean for something in this article to be charset
greek-iso8859-7?  I checked the headers which suggest you sent it as
us-ascii, so I'm a little confused.

Xemacs 20.4 (Mule), both pnus-0.15 & pgnus-0.22 display this behaviour.

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Stephen
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group. :) -- Randal Schwartz

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Stephen Zander]

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com> writes:
    Stephen> Did you mean for something in this article to be charset
    Stephen> greek-iso8859-7?  I checked the headers which suggest you
    Stephen> sent it as us-ascii, so I'm a little confused.

Please ignore the man behind the keyboard.  He's an idiot.

What I get for only reading the ding m/l with a Mule enabled xemacs.

-- 
Stephen
---
Perl is really designed more for the guys that will hack Perl at least
20 minutes a day for the rest of their career.  TCL/Python is more a
"20 minutes a week", and VB is probably in that "20 minutes a month"
group. :) -- Randal Schwartz

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

> The text above encodes all characters,
> and that would surely be more efficiently done using the B encoding...

I wonder how many news/mail agents have implemented QP but not base64?

-- 
Hallvard

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

> I wonder how many news/mail agents have implemented QP but not base64?

I know there were a few in the past, but I would guess that more
recent news/mail agents implement both.  

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Encoding Γειά σας

[François Pinard]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

> > I wonder how many news/mail agents have implemented QP but not base64?

> I know there were a few in the past, but I would guess that more
> recent news/mail agents implement both.

Another mistake of the first days was to give no support to 8bit.  I guess,
or at least hope, that this has been corrected everywhere now.  Bad or
incomplete MIME implementations surely contributed in making MIME more
horrible than it was meant to be. :-)

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