From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/57934 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: wallowing out of the spam quagmire Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:40:35 -0500 Organization: Still searching... Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <4n659lvv05.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1087869722 15162 80.91.224.253 (22 Jun 2004 02:02:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M6475@lists.math.uh.edu Tue Jun 22 04:01:57 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bcabl-0007r6-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:01:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1Bcabb-0000oa-00; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:01:47 -0500 Original-Received: from util2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.23]) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1BcabX-0000oV-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:01:43 -0500 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by util2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BcabX-0004Jz-AM for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:01:43 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA0D3A003A for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BcaHY-0001aZ-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:41:04 +0200 Original-Received: from adsl-68-74-182-61.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net ([68.74.182.61]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:41:03 +0200 Original-Received: from reader by adsl-68-74-182-61.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 03:41:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-68-74-182-61.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5L3bMJGmbIZ+nEgZm3+YlwLaAD8= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57934 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:57934 "Ted Zlatanov" writes: [...] > Also there was a patch for the spam.el manual section posted on this > newsgroup, which needs a second pair of eyes. If you could take a > look at that and see how well it works for you (being a potential new > spam.el user) that would be very helpful. About how long ago... looking at the last 2000 messages I haven't been able to ID it. Is it already in cvs manual? I just updated.. and read some of the docu on spam.el. It seems horribly complicated. > Generally, any feedback on the setup difficulty of spam.el (not the > manual, but the complexity of the data structures and procedures) is > very welcome. My usage will probably be the simplest one would find. I want to run bogofilter against only one group. (My setup described in previous post) .. that group gets whatever has made it by SA and dozens of my own procmail rules including splitting out many list-server messages from dozens of subscribed lists. So this group doesn't get lots of mail. However, the spam that shows up there though is fairly sophisticated and will be hard to indentify as spam. (for computer tools). It is readily indentifieable by humans though, so I thought if I showed enough of it to bogofilter, that filter would eventually become able to indentify most of it. Maybe that isn't how Bogofilter works..? At this stage I'd like to see a few steps that would get this process started. Something like (examples are made up): 1) put (some elisp) in G p of this group (auto-detect I guess) 2) install bogofilter and set (`bogo-on' to t) 3) set variables (spam-group "groupname") (ham-group "groupname") 4) enter group and mark messages spam or ham 5) let bogofiter wallow around in spam-group ham-group several times a day. Do steps four/five 7,535 times and then bogofilter will know what is what....