From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/56287 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Crypto problems again Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:25:03 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Sender: ding-owner@lists.math.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1076002929 20650 80.91.224.253 (5 Feb 2004 17:42:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ding-owner+M4827@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Feb 05 18:42:03 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from malifon.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.13]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AonVq-0001ha-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:42:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by malifon.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AonUZ-0007G6-00; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:40:43 -0600 Original-Received: from justine.libertine.org ([66.139.78.221] ident=postfix) by malifon.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 1AonUU-0007G1-00 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:40:38 -0600 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by justine.libertine.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE193A004A for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:40:36 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AonUR-0001wE-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:40:35 +0100 Original-Received: from quimbies.gnus.org ([80.91.231.2]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu Feb 5 17:40:35 2004 Original-Received: from larsi by quimbies.gnus.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu Feb 5 17:40:35 2004 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 54 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: quimbies.gnus.org Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: AGF's _Westernization Completed_: "Pipe Dream Voices" Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAADFBMVEVNSVhrZnWinqt+eYbu wD/3AAACGElEQVR4nDWPQWvUQBTH37Q7xIO1u2joxW0+gQevgjQRy55ss5rZQLGdgzdBVDAUWrfz KYonKXhRZu3uxR7csom3XrfYsFBJcxI0pc2hHRZSkmeK7O/0frz/g/+DhQSlDJKBKAYezCSBd/w7 wyt56gNZwUtHO+iNT/MWkPmcmdraZ7GeawCb6RA0I11d75diiLA2fdKLj4MG0IfcgxruX7kbI6D1 86G9GKWRy14BWUNlGysy2sp2gbp7ypxLe+NV/hcIHdnw+HbInvM/AGwcOd782GOtM6iLeMd+dvwz jtz3YKjlM3MpZrZLLbjLskDdisShyxrgMNwazqLrNNkC0DCsVKeZ16zF94F6Pw7fTNdIxbwDoKmL EIjuEFu3YS588QE0pmiFAcw650GTXHqWTSkY+gO04LViVDCYswiGRPGYZyEYuTjfrbVjFEUEsyjk nvt99ATDNgDPM3XSwbTY9YDkIvm2IWWn20uA8kLuyf+A3pDddCIkLuQEoGIl6ZaDL/svAUSE2WQD jAs+kYqe7CxnnUEm/S6A5dSbhY+/+vs+VHV1pLc+Mn4QfypfbeSNk+3FcMm9AELqnmJHhq0dKSib jkd5ldvEs0rRMeEhtk24xkVMMc9JacQSAXLE3H37Dmrm046PiJuIX69zcnCaYxwUN4CAOdWVvRCL zgyUd1N92UPMvty8jj0q7rUZ+qVUy0I2aVa5DNU/csAmlWgPwdgAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:JdPyXS6XyydNilB0/Q2Au81uUI8= Precedence: bulk Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:56287 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:56287 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Simon Josefsson writes: > >> What's the definition of crypto code? For example, does an elisp >> wrapper around GnuTLS count? A wrapper around GnuPG? Emacs contains >> a MD5 implementation in C, is it "crypto"? Or MD4, SHA-1? Are >> authentication mechanisms based on hashing, like CRAM-MD5, "crypto"? > > Ok; I'll ask RMS... And here's the response from RMS: ---------- What's the definition of crypto code? I will explain how I understand the matter. However, why ask me when you can learn from experts? There must be web sites that explain this issue in detail. I don't know which sites, but you can find them more easily than I can. For example, does an elisp wrapper around GnuTLS count? Yes. A wrapper around GnuPG? Yes. Anything designed specifically to work with an encryption program is encryption-related code. However, the existence of general hooks that could be used for anything does not constitute encryption-related code. Emacs contains a MD5 implementation in C, is it "crypto"? No, checksums do not count as encryption. Or MD4, SHA-1? I never heard of them and I don't know what they do, so I cannot answer. Are authentication mechanisms based on hashing, like CRAM-MD5, "crypto"? Authentication does not count as encryption. ------------ -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen