do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Didier Verna]

        I'm experimenting inputing Latin-0 characters. It appears that I can
see these characters correctly (my XEmacs uses ISO-8859-15 fonts). However,
the content-transfer-encoding header says that the message uses latin-1 :-/ ?


And here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Didier Verna]

I wrote:

>         I'm experimenting inputing Latin-0 characters. It appears that I can
> see these characters correctly (my XEmacs uses ISO-8859-15 fonts). However,
> the content-transfer-encoding header says that the message uses latin-1 :-/ ?

        the content-type header, I meant.

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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO En cette matinée pluvieuse du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
10:48, Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> disait:

>         I'm experimenting inputing Latin-0 characters. It appears that I can
> see these characters correctly (my XEmacs uses ISO-8859-15 fonts). However,
> the content-transfer-encoding header says that the message uses latin-1 :-/ ?


> And here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

Same problem here : I see the euro symbol since I am using the
ISO-8859-15 but I can only post ISO-8859-15 when I answer to an
ISO-8859-15 message.

Moreover, why :
lisp/ChangeLog: * gnus.el (gnus-default-posting-charset):
Bogus. Removed.

How to default to ISO-8859-15 without this ?
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Per Abrahamsen]

Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes:

>         I'm experimenting inputing Latin-0 characters. It appears that I can
> see these characters correctly (my XEmacs uses ISO-8859-15 fonts). However,
> the content-transfer-encoding header says that the message uses latin-1 :-/ ?

Do you use XEmacs/MULE?  If not, I don't think Gnus can know what
character set you use.

What is the value of `message-default-charset'?

> And here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

Latin-1 both places (as the encoding indicates).

Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Didier Verna]

Per Abrahamsen wrote:

> Do you use XEmacs/MULE? 

        Yes.

> What is the value of `message-default-charset'?

        nil, but this variable should not be used in my case.


>> And here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢
>
> Latin-1 both places (as the encoding indicates).

You mean you don't see oe, OE, Euro and cent symbols ? What do you see ?
What's your fonts ?

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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Karl Kleinpaste]

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Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes:
>>> And here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

>> Latin-1 both places (as the encoding indicates).

> You mean you don't see oe, OE, Euro and cent symbols ? What do you see ?
> What's your fonts ?

In XEmacs 21.4.6, with intlfonts-1.1 installed:


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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Per Abrahamsen]

Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes:

> You mean you don't see oe, OE, Euro and cent symbols ? 

Yes.

> What do you see ?

The correct latin-1 glyphs, 1/2, 1/4, Currency and Cent.

> What's your fonts ?

Whatever come default with the stable Debian/X11 package.

I don't really understand the "what's your fonts" question.  Emacs is
supposed to find the font that fits the characters for you, or display
a square if it can't find an appropriate font.

Maybe you have selected the latin-9 font in a way that makes XEmacs
think it is appropriate for latin-1 characters?

Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Didier Verna]

Per Abrahamsen wrote:

>> What's your fonts ?
>
> Whatever come default with the stable Debian/X11 package.
>
> I don't really understand the "what's your fonts" question.  Emacs is
> supposed to find the font that fits the characters for you, or display
> a square if it can't find an appropriate font.
>
> Maybe you have selected the latin-9 font in a way that makes XEmacs
> think it is appropriate for latin-1 characters?

        That's exactly what surprised me, hence the question. I've specified
latin 15 in X resources, but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for
displaying latin-1.

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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Kai Großjohann]

Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes:

>         That's exactly what surprised me, hence the question. I've specified
> latin 15 in X resources, but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for
> displaying latin-1.

If you use XEmacs/nomule then Emacs does not try to figure this out,
I think.  I just uses the font you tell it to.

M-f and M-b will give surprising results with EBCDIC fonts (say).

That's why I don't recommend to do this.  Use XEmacs/mule and use its
iso-8859-15 option.  If XEmacs supports iso-8859-15, that is.

kai
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO Pendant le temps de midi du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers 12:51,
Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> disait:

>         That's exactly what surprised me, hence the question. I've specified
> latin 15 in X resources, but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for
> displaying latin-1.

Ever by adding ISO 8859-15 support in XEmacs, Gnus keeps posting in
ISO 8859-1.
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Kai Großjohann]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@scientist.com> writes:

> OoO Pendant le temps de midi du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers 12:51,
> Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> disait:
>
>>         That's exactly what surprised me, hence the question. I've specified
>> latin 15 in X resources, but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for
>> displaying latin-1.
>
> Ever by adding ISO 8859-15 support in XEmacs, Gnus keeps posting in
> ISO 8859-1.

Do you use XEmacs/Mule?  Do you use the Euro character in your
postings?

kai
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
14:24, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) disait:

>> Ever by adding ISO 8859-15 support in XEmacs, Gnus keeps posting in
>> ISO 8859-1.

> Do you use XEmacs/Mule?  Do you use the Euro character in your
> postings?

XEmacs/Mule and ¤¤¤ character. The problem is that I could use the
"currency" character in this post ; I am seeing euro because I am
using a 8859-15 font. I am not sure of who has to notice that (XEmacs
or Gnus).
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Kai Großjohann]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@free.fr> writes:

> OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
> 14:24, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) disait:
>
>>> Ever by adding ISO 8859-15 support in XEmacs, Gnus keeps posting in
>>> ISO 8859-1.
>
>> Do you use XEmacs/Mule?  Do you use the Euro character in your
>> postings?
>
> XEmacs/Mule and ¤¤¤ character. The problem is that I could use the
> "currency" character in this post ; I am seeing euro because I am
> using a 8859-15 font. I am not sure of who has to notice that (XEmacs
> or Gnus).

Tell XEmacs that you want iso-8859-15.  For example,
(set-language-environment "Latin-9") or so.

kai
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO Lors de la soirée naissante du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
17:25, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) disait:

> Tell XEmacs that you want iso-8859-15.  For example,
> (set-language-environment "Latin-9") or so.

Environnement language not defined.

I have this in my .emacs :

(make-charset 'latin-iso8859-15     ; sorry, that's the Mule convention
  ; to French and Finns: patch if you like, euro is what sells shoes
  "Latin-1 with Euro etc"
  '(short-name "Latin 9"
    long-name  "Latin-9 (typically GR of ISO 8859/15)"
    registry   "iso8859-15"
    dimension  1
    columns    1
    chars      96
    final      ?b                  ; if I read ISO-IR-203 correctly
    graphic    1
    direction  l2r))

(make-coding-system 'iso-8859-15 'iso2022
  ; to French and Finns: patch if you like, euro is what sells shoes
  "ISO 8859/15 (GL ASCII, GR Latin 9; basically Latin-1 with Euro)"
  `(mnemonic "Ltn9"                ; more ancient Mule bogosity, sorry
    eol-type nil
    charset-g0 ,(find-charset 'ascii)
    charset-g1 ,(find-charset 'latin-iso8859-15)))
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Kai Großjohann]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@free.fr> writes:

> OoO Lors de la soirée naissante du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
> 17:25, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) disait:
>
>> Tell XEmacs that you want iso-8859-15.  For example,
>> (set-language-environment "Latin-9") or so.
>
> Environnement language not defined.

Emacs 21 has it.  Hm.

kai
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Per Abrahamsen]

Didier Verna <didier@lrde.epita.fr> writes:

>         That's exactly what surprised me, hence the question. I've
> specified latin 15 in X resources,

Maybe that overrides the automatic font selection?

> but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for displaying latin-1.

It does sound like an XEmacs issue rather than a Gnus issue.

Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
16:58, Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> disait:

>> but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for displaying latin-1.

> It does sound like an XEmacs issue rather than a Gnus issue.

With Emacs 21, is there any change to do to support the euro symbol ?
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Per Abrahamsen]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@scientist.com> writes:

> OoO Vers la fin de l'après-midi du mercredi 09 janvier 2002, vers
> 16:58, Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> disait:
>
>>> but I'm surprised that XEmacs thinks it's ok for displaying latin-1.
>
>> It does sound like an XEmacs issue rather than a Gnus issue.
>
> With Emacs 21, is there any change to do to support the euro symbol ?

Options -> Mule -> Set Language Environment -> European -> Latin-9

Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO En cette matinée pluvieuse du jeudi 10 janvier 2002, vers 10:38,
Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk> disait:

>> With Emacs 21, is there any change to do to support the euro symbol ?

> Options -> Mule -> Set Language Environment -> European -> Latin-9

And then, you can write a mail with ¤ (currency) and it will be
encoded in ISO-8859-1 and a mail with "euro" and it will be encoded in
ISO-8859-15 ?
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Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Simon Josefsson]

Vincent Bernat <bernat@scientist.com> writes:

>>> With Emacs 21, is there any change to do to support the euro symbol ?
>
>> Options -> Mule -> Set Language Environment -> European -> Latin-9
>
> And then, you can write a mail with ¤ (currency) and it will be
> encoded in ISO-8859-1 and a mail with "euro" and it will be encoded in
> ISO-8859-15 ?

Yes.  However, shift-4 will yield a euro instead of the currency
symbol if you change the language environment.

If you don't want to frob your language environment (I never touch
those things, the defaults should work), you can also use a euro
environment:

$ LANG=sv_SE@euro emacs -q -f gnus

Then shift-4 yields a currency symbol, altgr-4 dollar and altgr-e a
euro.

My 0.02 SEK. :-)

Re: do you see Latin-0 here ? ½ ¼ ¤ ¢

[Vincent Bernat]

OoO Lors de la soirée naissante du jeudi 10 janvier 2002, vers 18:08,
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> disait:

> Then shift-4 yields a currency symbol, altgr-4 dollar and altgr-e a
> euro.

> My 0.02 SEK. :-)

So the problem is in XEmacs.
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