From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/16663 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Russ Allbery Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Latin 1 in non-MIME news postings? Date: 03 Sep 1998 09:47:48 -0700 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035155499 29197 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 23:11:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29981 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAF06394; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:19:28 -0500 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:48:15 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [209.195.19.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28195 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [36.21.0.44]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29971 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (qmail 5705 invoked by uid 500); 3 Sep 1998 16:47:49 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Stainless Steel Rat's message of "03 Sep 1998 12:30:43 -0400" Original-Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:16663 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:16663 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > "RA" == Russ Allbery writes: > RA> News specifies article body format follows RFC 822, which specifies > RA> 7bit ASCII. Technically, MIME isn't even legal in news. > Wait. > MIME in and of itself sits on top of RFC 822. MIME specifies that 8-bit > data be encoded into a 7-bit format, usually base64. > Recent incarnations of SMTP allow for 8-bit data over 8-bit clean > networks between 8-bit clean MTAs, (ab)using aspects of MIME to > accomplish this. > Please do not confuse the two. How am I confusing the two? News specifies, by proxy, 7bit ASCII in article bodies. MIME, whether 7bit or 8bit or what have you, technically does not apply to news and means nothing in news, since the news standards (although somewhat obscure on this point) seem to indicate that they do not adopt 822 extensions. Therefore there is technically no standards-compliant way to send 8bit data of any sort, even ISO 8859-1 characters, across Usenet, even in an encoded form, since news says that base64 is just a stream of characters like any other 7bit ASCII body and that you cannot reliably apply any particular interpretation to the headers that claim otherwise. Obviously this is widely ignored in practice. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)