From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/21550 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: forwarding as text rather than MIME? Date: 26 Feb 1999 08:14:18 +0100 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87hfsnl7ys.fsf@graaff.xs4all.nl> <87lnhtcstr.fsf@graaff.xs4all.nl> <87k8xb1r6t.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> <87d832uyf9.fsf@pc-hrvoje.srce.hr> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035159633 23531 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 00:20:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from fisher.math.uh.edu (fisher.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.35]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01411 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:03:52 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by fisher.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAB06590; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:01:19 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:01:23 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sclp3.sclp.com (root@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01894 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:59:48 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from quimbies.gnus.org (larsi@ppp007.uio.no [129.240.240.8]) by sclp3.sclp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA01220 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:59:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: (from larsi@localhost) by quimbies.gnus.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA23721; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:58:58 +0100 Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Reading: Italo Calvinos _Usynlige byer_ X-Now-Playing: Stina Nordenstam's _People Are Strange_: "I Dream of Jeannie" Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Hrvoje Niksic's message of "22 Feb 1999 18:43:22 +0100" User-Agent: Gnus/5.070078 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.78) XEmacs/21.2(beta3) (Aglaia) X-Face: &w!^oO~dS|}-P0~ge{$c!h\ writes: > > Forwarding messages the new, MIME way is OK when we talk about mail > > messages. But, what's with post forwards? [...] > > Indeed, you are right. I didn't think about that. I didn't either. Hm. > Lars, could you please *please* allow a way to revert to the old > forarding style? Don't make me have to hurt you when we meet in > Japan. :-) :-) Ok, there are many things to consider here. I'll try to enumerate them, because I like enumerated lists, and the auto-indent thing is neat. 1) Forwarding things as message/rfc822 allows automatic extraction by MIME-compliant news/mail readers. 2) A typical complaint when forwarding using the old scheme was that not all headers were included, which meant that when people forwarded things to complain about spam, none of the important headers (Path/Received/etc) were included. 3) A typical complaint when forwarding message/rfc822 messages is that all the headers are included, which means that when people forward mail to each other, they get a bunch of useless headers (Path/Received/etc) they have to scroll through (if their news/maill reader don't handle that). 4) Some news hierarchies frown/autocancel some MIME types, but I haven't heard anyone autocancelling multiparts that only contain text/plain and message/rfc822. 5) MIME multiparts are generally somewhat noisier than traditional forward. But if we drop the "multipart warning" ("If you are reading this..."), then the quantity of noise is actually less. Fix in Pterodactyl Gnus v0.78. 6) message/rfc822 is generally more robust than traditional forwards. If the recipient has real MIME, then you can be pretty sure that the recipient will be able to view the forwarded news/mail as was originally intended. I don't think many mail/news readers are able to/will be able to do the same with traditional forwards. To sum these considerations up, I think that message/rfc822 is the right thing to do, and perhaps more importantly, it's The Thing Of The Future. And I think that perhaps by pushing this, we might make the future happen a bit sooner. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen