From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/14530 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Summary scoring commands/a puzzle Date: 11 Mar 1998 05:32:32 -0800 Organization: none Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035153705 16663 80.91.224.250 (20 Oct 2002 22:41:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 22:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from xemacs.org (xemacs.cs.uiuc.edu [128.174.252.16]) by altair.xemacs.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26493 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:35:56 -0800 Original-Received: from gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (gizmo.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.102.31]) by xemacs.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13484 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:30:51 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (sina.hpc.uh.edu [129.7.3.5]) by gizmo.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAN02376; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:05:19 -0600 Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:25:08 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from claymore.vcinet.com (claymore.vcinet.com [208.205.12.23]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08139 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:24:55 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (qmail 23083 invoked by uid 504); 11 Mar 1998 22:24:36 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 23080 invoked from network); 11 Mar 1998 22:24:36 -0000 Original-Received: from sunsite.auc.dk (130.225.51.30) by claymore.vcinet.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 1998 22:24:35 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 29039 invoked by uid 509); 11 Mar 1998 21:34:37 -0000 Original-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Path: not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: emacs.ding Original-Lines: 137 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pm4-5.sba1.avtel.net Original-X-Trace: sunsite.auc.dk 889652076 29034 (None) 207.71.218.205 Original-X-Complaints-To: news@sunsite.auc.dk X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.1/Emacs 20.2 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:14530 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:14530 I may have committed some sort of 'faux-paux' here by posting this here and to gnu.emacs.gnu I believe gnus Info needs some further explanation in this area. And would like to offer some of the contents here as a beginning. Hopefully some one who is not iliterate like I am, will step forward to do it. But if not, I will do my damndest with the help of other contributions and emacs,ccc to get this, and what ever contributions others want to send into a much briefer and clearer expostition of using the summary scoring commands. Lengthy and detailed -- please bear with me. Having spent ungodly amounts of time trying to understand and utilize the scoring commands available in Summary mode. I have learned to use some of them but am still quite confused about others. Firstly, some confusing terms used seem to make it much harder to figure out what is expected at the different prompts. When doing a simple 'I'or 'L' the prompt offered says 'Increase/Decrease Header: (asbhitxldfT?):' Clear enough what to do here and if you don't know what the letters mean there is the handy (?) you can press to find out.(very nice) Now it begins to get more interesting. Author and subject, message-ID, refererences all make good sense, after all, just like the prompt says, they are 'headers'. But 'h'=head and 'b'=body do not make sense because they are not 'headers'. What part of a header is the body or the head. So at this point you must ignore what the prompt is asking for and strike out on your own. It turns out,'h= 'head' means all the headers instead of the 'head' of a 'header' and b=body means the text body of message. Neither of them are called 'headers'. Using the terms 'all headers' and 'message body'or similar would be a lot clearer than 'Head' and 'body'. But maybe only dim wits like yours truly, stumble over these things, so moving on: We choose 'h' and then see "Increase header 'head' with match type (zp?):" [ED z=substring p=regexp string] So we are being shown our choices so far and asked to make another one. [ED NOTE: Those handy question marks (?) appear throughout] Now you might think that you need to put the string, in which ever format you pick, but not so. You just pick which one you want to search with and Gnus will convert it nicely for you. We chose 'p': We now see the prompt 'Increase permanence (tpi?):' [ED temp perm and immediate] Either 't' or 'p' will work at this point 'i' will not work, if it is choosen the scoring will fail. NOTE: It would seem that choosing 'i' would let you run the scoring without putting it in your .SCORE file, but apperantly it does not. We choose 'p': Prompt now says: "Match permanent on head, raise:" This might be taken as a question of how much to raise what you are going to choose. But no, it is asking for a 'header string' ie. To:, From:, or any of the header lines. We insert: To: Harry Putnam And sure as water runs downhill, articles with that header are increased by the default 1000. (assuming there is nothing in score file to the contrary) NOTE: If you want a different amount you must prefix C-u before pressing the initial 'I'. Notes and questions: What role does the 'i' in (tpi?) play? How can a scoring session be run with out putting it in a score file, using the summary commmands? In other words I want to run a scoring session that ignores my SCORE file. I can see how to do this by jerking around the files themselves but not by simply by-passing. 'V c' and 'V f' will clearly allow using a 'doctored' score file, but is there no way to just score a one time scoring with out using your existing score file or any others? I think the 'V a' command may answer this, but have not figured out how to use it yet. Using 'V a' Header: or Match: Use regexp match? (y or n) Add to score file? (y or n): NOTE: IF 'n' is chosen here, no scoring is done Expire Kill? (y or n) NOTE: Either a 'y' or an 'n' will have the same result here Scoring is done immediately and new entry is added to score file. Questions: What is supposed to happen at the prompt that says: "Add to score file? (y or n):" Is 'n' just a way to cancel out? Don't we have C-g for that? Either chosing 'n' or doing C-g have identical results. What is supposed to happen at the prompt that says: "Expire Kill? (y or n)" Either choice has identical results. The scoring is done and thats it. thanks for hanging in there -- Harry Putnam reader@newsguy.com