Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.

Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>     Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.

Should this be done for files that haven't changed?

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Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.)

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

+Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>>     Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.

Cf.
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.diffs/112565
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.cvs/11711

> Should this be done for files that haven't changed?

As for emacs-w3m and others I update the copyright years on a file
only when having changed it for the first time in the year.  But
Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of
every year regardless of having been changed or not.  And as for
those changes I worked as an engineer to merge changes made in
Emacs and Gnus mutually (I've also updated some extra files, e.g.
gnus-xmas.el and friends, though).

I used to feel Emacs' way strange.  Maybe updating the copyright
years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense.  But Emacs'
way is alike to it.  What is TRT?

Re: Updating copyright years

[Glenn Morris]

Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:

> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of
> every year regardless of having been changed or not.

Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in
admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU
Software":

http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Notices

    To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have
    made nontrivial changes to the package. (Here we assume you're using
    a publicly accessible revision control server, so that every
    revision installed is also immediately and automatically published.)
    When you add the new year, it is not required to keep track of which
    files have seen significant changes in the new year and which have
    not. It is recommended and simpler to add the new year to all files
    in the package, and be done with it for the rest of the year.

Re: Updating copyright years

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

Glenn Morris wrote:
> Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:

>> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of
>> every year regardless of having been changed or not.

> Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in
> admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU
> Software":

> http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Copyright-Notices

>     To update the list of year numbers, add each year in which you have
>     made nontrivial changes to the package. (Here we assume you're using
>     a publicly accessible revision control server, so that every
>     revision installed is also immediately and automatically published.)
>     When you add the new year, it is not required to keep track of which
>     files have seen significant changes in the new year and which have
>     not. It is recommended and simpler to add the new year to all files
>     in the package, and be done with it for the rest of the year.

This clalified.  Thanks.  I think it's ok for the Gnus trunk.

Re: Updating copyright years

[Richard Stallman]

Our last legal advice is that the years are for when _Emacs_ changed,
and Emacs has already changed this year.

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[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Katsumi Yamaoka writes:

Hi, Katsumi!

 > I used to feel Emacs' way strange.  Maybe updating the copyright
 > years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense.

That can't be done because Walt is dead, and therefore cannot add to
his works.[1]

 > But Emacs' way is alike to it.

No, it's not.  Emacs's source copyrights are updated every year
because Emacs itself is different every year; but old copies of Emacs
in any form do not have their copyrights updated.

 > What is TRT?

Emacs's way.  Copyright is weird, agreed, but given the way copyright
works, Emacs does the right thing.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Of course, Congress regularly does something even more offensive
(ie, extend the term of existing copyrights).  But that's not the same
 as updating the copyright of an existing work.

Re: Updating copyright years (was Re: [gnus git] branch master updated: n0-17-447-g55c26cf =1= Add 2012 to FSF copyright years for Emacs files.)

[Jason Rumney]

Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

> I used to feel Emacs' way strange.  Maybe updating the copyright
> years of Walt Disney's works every year is nonsense.  But Emacs'
> way is alike to it.  What is TRT?

Emacs is a single "work", so a single copyright date is appropriate. It
is much less error prone to do it all in one sweep, as there is no risk
of a developer making a change to a file (which may be in 11 months
time) and forgetting to update the copyright notice.

Re: Updating copyright years

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:

GM> Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:
>> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of
>> every year regardless of having been changed or not.

GM> Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in
GM> admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU
GM> Software":

That doesn't make it right, and I've gone on the record in the past
arguing against it.

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Re: Updating copyright years

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:35:34 -0800 merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: 

>>>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
GM> Katsumi Yamaoka wrote:
>>> Emacs people seem to have been updating it at the beginning of
>>> every year regardless of having been changed or not.

GM> Emacs has done it this way for several years, as documented in
GM> admin/notes and as recommended in "Information for Maintainers of GNU
GM> Software":

RLS> That doesn't make it right, and I've gone on the record in the past
RLS> arguing against it.

Doesn't the act of modifying the file to insert the new year make the
file modified and thus require the new year?  Heh heh.

(No opinion one way or the other, just found that amusing.)

Ted

Re: Updating copyright years

[Richard Stallman]

We are following legal advice, and we will continue to follow it,
so please don't argue about it here.

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