From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74938 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:52:59 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292259218 23284 80.91.229.12 (13 Dec 2010 16:53:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23294@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 13 17:53:34 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeX-0006Jd-I2 for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:53:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeR-0005HX-GY; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:53:27 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeQ-0005HK-8D for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:53:26 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeC-00065W-Ve for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:53:26 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeB-0002aL-Kv for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:53:11 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSBeB-00064b-04 for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:53:11 +0100 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:53:10 +0100 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:53:10 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVpUD2IeGhdPCmaqKbe 1cH+//6Kmpn9/PkpCQhAKh5fIPDLAAACXUlEQVQ4jW3UQY+aQBQH8IdtNs6NkdSUG0ybjdyWjLXp sZEN56Yar7o0JD02YcMVOTRvbsg2De/b9g2o3dV98TS/ef8HOADl4/qqNmW5hvJ6fW33wuN6k25W ZVoWjy96LSS/ioQr/XQJ82TJv2XyeVgqkjOkSV9Fv75S6u0p6nmlE6XU/RGK46LO9Y8klBLevdLx lRvUx7JkWOXP6wHAlY7W1xByR5C/BgCjcHEN21AxXEZto1aGrjv60EdtzuvZqMNqxDPyM2RTC7FA NKBUuMjO0HfczRBrZyfzyw6XImqdbHEC3pHd9CPQBCrw9GJxhl1oQWCj2vZGa93PWLk3+e7WRs0q T4oe+vv4Bpxjo3Zd/cYd0eEE34PpAHG39+IYqxOs4D/oeYz1EVKGxQmkFyMNUCSFlHrRw6ySmiHr 4b5MpMxjB/jGx7Xj3aEZIJ37RIc44ivgRyX1ezTeMCObUHQQ1EoLYcyP63aAnDsqYRhygaYZG0R7 i1DqiYpC7nC0T9iFLiEiT4EtCEN9VBYR+Ycp/yf4mwFURFHj2w6i5ksl3jMYBsWgGGrJQON61mCf BW3AHa1PRuqIOqyx7hg8DSM+RnxgZsbRguwajivEJ44SgQIQhCrzB2iqjqcDkmoDC/jk2ytF3LPv GZDaluzePQMnCzV2GpkBnqv+SaaH8ALMNqABDhOGyAxBDA+H1kLbCtfJgEgdO1pqwAK1PhwscAdR xG9LZ/i6OYokjTyQ+W7Kp1Xm01zKnYUokr7w4MV3YsVBHRFA8wdefF0KEMM8+ttDeapCLzW/7ks9 F/8ANYpvqQWl9x4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Barbara Morgenstern's _Fan No 2 (1)_: "Wegbereiter" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tEjz3C4toX17ZcVJGkOikhImChc= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74938 Archived-At: Julien Danjou writes: > Just don't forget who your users are. :) /me surreptitiously points up to a certain user yesterday. > I agree it's a lot of work, but it's not undoable. At least, we should > decide that it would be a good idea to revoke the primary/secondary > mechanism and find something else. Yes. I agree, but I'm not sure how to progress here. I mean, we 1) want things to continue to work, and 2) be better. So, as a fundamental thing, we want to be able to name groups uniquely, because that's very pleasant. You can just put a group name anywhere (say, Gcc), and Gnus will be able to identify it. So that's nice, and leads us to think that prefixed group names will have to remain as they are, pretty much. However, they are kinda ugly. But it would be nice if Gnus only had a single variable, like `gnus-methods' or something, that had all the methods. One problem with primary/secondary methods today is that you can't change a primary into a secondary without renaming all the groups. That's not very nice. > Or we could provide a prefix for each method, just without the backend > name in front of it. So you can still set it to "" if you have one > primary, and to "WhatEver" so you can prefix the other methods. That'll still be a distinction between primary and non-primary, wouldn't it? > I don't know what fix you want, but setting it to "." might be the best > fix. :) Nooo. I certainly don't want to subscribe to all the new groups from Gmane, Gwene and eternal-september.org... I've fixed is differently, but I'm wondering whether to get rid of gnus-options-subscribe and/or gnus-auto-subscribed-groups and/or gnus-options-not-subscribe. That's a ridiculous number of variables for doing pretty much the same thing... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen