From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/36045 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: my 'dated' address (was Re: Quimby Upgrade) Date: 27 Apr 2001 21:05:08 -0400 Sender: prj@multivac.cwru.edu Message-ID: References: <20010412214301.13340.qmail@nightshade.acl.lanl.gov> <01Apr27.154830edt.115489@gateway.intersys.com> <20010427160208.C17435@kens.com> <01Apr27.170545edt.115524@gateway.intersys.com> <01Apr27.173712edt.115316@gateway.intersys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035171697 6477 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 03:41:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 03:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: (qmail 22796 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2001 01:06:15 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 22791 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2001 01:06:15 -0000 Original-Received: from multivac.student.cwru.edu (HELO multivac.cwru.edu) (261@129.22.96.25) by gnus.org with SMTP; 28 Apr 2001 01:06:15 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 1885 invoked by uid 500); 28 Apr 2001 01:05:30 -0000 Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-To: "\(ding\)" In-Reply-To: <01Apr27.173712edt.115316@gateway.intersys.com> (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:38:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/20.7 Original-Lines: 36 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36045 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:36045 Stainless Steel Rat writes: > * prj@po.cwru.edu (Paul Jarc) on Fri, 27 Apr 2001 > | > Silently dropping people from lists is a serious flaw, not a feature. > | It's not silent. > > Then it has changed somewhat since it was last described to me. Possibly. But I rather suspect you heard an incorrect description before. The non-silence has been present at least as far back as 1997-06-29, when the latest stock ezmlm version seems to have been released. > Bad (or less than good) defaults that are easilly changed do not make them > less bad (or good). Well, if you don't want automatic removal of bouncing addresses, you can avoid using the program that gives you that feature - and if you don't want that program to be given to you by default, you can avoid using the program that exhibits that default. Such are the benefits of good factoring. > | > But then, I can (and do) say that about most of qmail's "features". > | This isn't a qmail feature; it's an ezmlm feature. > > As if there were a difference. Sort of like how Gnus isn't GNU Emacs but > is part of GNU Emacs, except that Lars isn't DJB. Well, some use Emacs without Gnus, and some use qmail without ezmlm. It doesn't work the other way, of course, but a real or perceived weakness in Gnus or ezmlm shouldn't discourage one from using Emacs or qmail. There are other mail readers that can be used with Emacs; there are other MLMs that can be used with qmail; there are reasons to use Emacs and qmail other than reading mail and serving mailing lists. paul