Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Thu, 08 Jul 1999
| One thing I dearly would like to see in future xGnus is the
| possibility to have gziped nnfolders (or any backend for that matter).

I believe this has been working for quite some time.  Simply tell Gnus that 
the file to be read is compressed and jka-compr should automagically do its 
thing.
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 09 Jul 1999
| How? A search for "compr" in the info-file revealed nothing.

Because it is entirely and automatically handled by jka-compr.  That is,
turn on compressed file handling, compress your files, and Gnus will do the 
right thing because jka-compr does the right thing for it.
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 09 Jul 1999
| No. It did not when I tried earlier this summer/in the
| spring. Therefore I asked. I'll give it a new shot Later(TM).
| If I fail (again) I'll come back. Thanks.

It might be necessary to specify the compression extension in the group
parameters.  Have you done that?
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Andrew Markebo]

Ok you people who has it working, tell me what to do :-)

I tried to create a nnfolder group arkiv.test.gz, it complained over
that the subdir arkiv/test didn't exist.. 

I created arkiv.test, gzipped it, restarted gnus.. no success.. 

	/Andy

Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Ted Rathkopf]

Andrew Markebo <andy.eskilsson@telelogic.se> writes:

> Ok you people who has it working, tell me what to do :-)
> 
> I tried to create a nnfolder group arkiv.test.gz, it complained over
> that the subdir arkiv/test didn't exist.. 
> 
> I created arkiv.test, gzipped it, restarted gnus.. no success.. 

Sounds like a problem with the nnmail-use-long-file-names variable.
It is probably set to nil, so it converts group names like
"arkiv.test" into the subdirectory arkiv/test.  If you set
nnmail-use-long-file-names to non-nil, it will not convert group names 
inot subdirectories.

Or, if you create the file arkive/test, gzip it, and restart gnus you
should be fine.

I don't believe you need to create the nnfolder group with the .gz
name.  Just call it arkiv.test and it will do the right thing if the
arkiv/test (or arkiv.test) file is gzipped.

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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Andrew Markebo]

/ Ted Rathkopf <ted@rathkopf.org> wrote:
| 
| Sounds like a problem with the nnmail-use-long-file-names variable.
| It is probably set to nil, so it converts group names like
| "arkiv.test" into the subdirectory arkiv/test.  If you set
| nnmail-use-long-file-names to non-nil, it will not convert group names 
| inot subdirectories.

Sounds like this is the case, haven't touched that variable.. the
problem with changing it now is that I have a couple of nnfolder
groups in this format..

| 
| Or, if you create the file arkive/test, gzip it, and restart gnus you
| should be fine.

Nope I am not fine.. Create groupt arkiv.test, copy a bunch of
articles there, okee 3 articles, quit gnus, gzip, start gnus, try to
enter the group, no articles

jka-compr is loaded.. 

Anyone out there with it working and who can tell who you got it to
work?

	/Andy

Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Ted Rathkopf]

Andrew Markebo <andy.eskilsson@telelogic.se> writes:

> Anyone out there with it working and who can tell who you got it to
> work?
> 
> 	/Andy
> 
> 

I have it working with nnml.  I have the following in my .emacs:

(require 'jka-compr)
(toggle-auto-compression 1)

that's all I needed to do.


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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Andrew Markebo]

Aye, I want it to work with nnfolder!

	/Andy

Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Ted Rathkopf]

Andrew Markebo <andy.eskilsson@telelogic.se> writes:

> Aye, I want it to work with nnfolder!

Hmm.  I just created a nnfolder group, and couldn't get it to work
either.


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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Dirk Bernhardt]

Ted Rathkopf <ted@rathkopf.org> writes:

> Hmm.  I just created a nnfolder group, and couldn't get it to work
> either.

Create a nnfolder:foo group, copy an article in it, exit gnus, gzip the foo
file to foo.gz, edit the active file and the .newsrc.eld file to say
test.gz, restart emacs, run gnus.  This worked fine for me.

Krid
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Dirk Bernhardt]

Dirk Bernhardt <krid@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> file to foo.gz, edit the active file and the .newsrc.eld file to say
> test.gz, restart emacs, run gnus.  This worked fine for me.
  ^^^^^^^ foo.gz, sorry

Krid
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Andrew Markebo]

Subject closed.. gzip of nnfolders isn't implemented.. easily :-) or
something.. Time to take up the subject again.. 

Better support for gzipped nnfolders wanted, I the user don't want to
need to mess around in the .newsrc.eld and active file.. Though I do
it once a while.. heheheh..

Maybe some elisp to create a gzipped nnfolder group or something?

	/andy


/ Dirk Bernhardt <krid@comnets.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:
| Ted Rathkopf <ted@rathkopf.org> writes:
| 
| > Hmm.  I just created a nnfolder group, and couldn't get it to work
| > either.
| 
| Create a nnfolder:foo group, copy an article in it, exit gnus, gzip the foo
| file to foo.gz, edit the active file and the .newsrc.eld file to say
| test.gz, restart emacs, run gnus.  This worked fine for me.
| 
| Krid
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Justin Sheehy]

Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:

> /Jonas, who plans to dig into the wierdness of nnmh _next_
>         saturday. Honest.

Why nnmh?  Do you really need to use both Gnus and MH interchangeably
for managing your mail?  That is the only reason to use nnmh over nnml...

Just curious.

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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Kai Großjohann]

Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se> writes:

> Becaurse I use an external script to produce "Post-it"-like
> to-do-lists.

This sounds interesting.  I cooked up my own `manage your todo list
with Gnus' thingy but it doesn't really seem to be, well, convincing.

kai
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 16 Jul 1999
| Becaurse I use an external script to produce "Post-it"-like
| to-do-lists. It just produces a new file - with nnmh I don't need to
| do more processing then "ls | sort" to get the highest article
| number.

An nnml directory looks exactly like an nnmh directory with the addition of 
.overview, which does not normally show up with ls.

By the by, since ls normally sorts alphanumerically, `ls -1 | tail -1` is
probably the fastest way to do this.

| Besides, there seems to be a bug in nnmh...

What bug would this be?
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 16 Jul 1999
| But then I have a special file to keep updated one way or the other.

Not if all you are doing is reading the directory (which is all you
described doing).  If you want to write, you can use the procmail split
trick.  Best of both worlds, right?


| BREVFIL="${BREVLISTA}/`ls $BREVLISTA | gawk '{ printf("%03d\n", $1) }' | sort | gawk 'END { print (substr($0, match($0, "[^0][0-9]*")) + 1) }'`"

Ummm... like I said, 'ls -1 | tail -1'.
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Kai Großjohann]

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> * Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 16 Jul 1999
> 
> | BREVFIL="${BREVLISTA}/`ls $BREVLISTA | gawk '{ printf("%03d\n", $1) }' | sort | gawk 'END { print (substr($0, match($0, "[^0][0-9]*")) + 1) }'`"
> 
> Ummm... like I said, 'ls -1 | tail -1'.

,-----
| $ mkdir /tmp/foo
| $ cd /tmp/foo
| $ touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
| $ ls -1
| 1
| 10
| 2
| 3
| 4
| 5
| 6
| 7
| 8
| 9
| $ 
`-----

Please note that nnmh files are sorted numerically.  I think "ls -1 |
sort -n | tail -1" will do the trick, though.

kai
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Ted Rathkopf]

Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE> writes:

> Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> 
> > * Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Fri, 16 Jul 1999
> > 
> > | BREVFIL="${BREVLISTA}/`ls $BREVLISTA | gawk '{ printf("%03d\n", $1) }' | sort | gawk 'END { print (substr($0, match($0, "[^0][0-9]*")) + 1) }'`"
> > 
> > Ummm... like I said, 'ls -1 | tail -1'.
> 
> ,-----
> | $ mkdir /tmp/foo
> | $ cd /tmp/foo
> | $ touch 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
> | $ ls -1
> | 1
> | 10
> | 2
> | 3
> | 4
> | 5
> | 6
> | 7
> | 8
> | 9
> | $ 
> `-----
> 
> Please note that nnmh files are sorted numerically.  I think "ls -1 |
> sort -n | tail -1" will do the trick, though.

Or "ls -1tr | tail -1"


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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Ted Rathkopf]

Ted Rathkopf <ted@rathkopf.org> writes:

> > Please note that nnmh files are sorted numerically.  I think "ls -1 |
> > sort -n | tail -1" will do the trick, though.
> 
> Or "ls -1tr | tail -1"

Woops.  Scratch that.  That won't work unless the numerical order is
the same as the chronological order.

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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Kai Großjohann <Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE>  on Sat, 17 Jul 1999
| Please note that nnmh files are sorted numerically.  I think "ls -1 |
| sort -n | tail -1" will do the trick, though.

Yeah... I was looking at a directory with all the messages having the same
number of significant digits in their names.  Of course, if you are going
to use sort in this, it might be faster to use "ls -1f | sort -n | head
- -1" instead (-f tells ls not to sort the output).
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stephen Zander]

>>>>> "Rat" == Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
    Rat> Yeah... I was looking at a directory with all the messages
    Rat> having the same number of significant digits in their names.
    Rat> Of course, if you are going to use sort in this, it might be
    Rat> faster to use "ls -1f | sort -n | head -1" instead (-f tells
    Rat> ls not to sort the output).

ObPointless: '-1' is the default behaviour when sending 'ls' output to
a pipe.  It's been this way forever (or thereabounts :))

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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com>  on Mon, 19 Jul 1999
| ObPointless: '-1' is the default behaviour when sending 'ls' output to
| a pipe.  It's been this way forever (or thereabounts :))

ObNotPointless: '-1' is a Good Thing to include just in case your (or
someone else's) shell has an alias for ls which includes switches like -C
or -F which will override the fallback to -1 behaviour when piping ls
output.  Or, in other words, do not assume that 'default' behaviour will
always work, because it will not.
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Jonas Steverud <d4jonas@dtek.chalmers.se>  on Sat, 17 Jul 1999
| Using procmail would be overkill and doing things twice. I can send you
| the script if you want to better understand how it works.

You do not need to use procmail to write the new message.  All you need to
do is have your todo script put the new message where procmail would put it 
if you were using procmail instead of the same directory.
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Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Toby Speight]

Rat> Stainless Steel Rat <URL:mailto:ratinox@peorth.gweep.net>

0> In <URL:news:m3hfn4tk4k.fsf@peorth.gweep.net>, Rat wrote:

Rat> By the by, since ls normally sorts alphanumerically, `ls -1 |
Rat> tail -1` is probably the fastest way to do this.

ITYM `ls -1r | head -1`  ;-)

Re: Future feature: Gzip of nnfolders?

[Stainless Steel Rat]

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* Toby Speight <Toby.Speight@streapadair.freeserve.co.uk>  on Mon, 19 Jul 1999
| ITYM `ls -1r | head -1`  ;-)

I thought of that, but I cannot prove that all implementations of ls have
- -r.
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