Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

Several of my postings to the ding mailinglist have not reached
emacs.ding.  Nor has Lars' message with the headers below, I've copied
the headers from the list archive at
<URL:http://www.gnus.org/list-archives/ding/199902/msg00458.html>.
(Since it _did_ reach the archive, I assume it also reached the
mailinglist.)


Message-Id: <m3btiqscgn.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>
To: ding@gnus.org 
Subject: Re: Get \201 when I edit mail 
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> 
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:19:20 +0100 
In-Reply-To: Hallvard B Furuseth's message of "15 Feb 1999 03:22:20 +0100" 
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-- 
Hallvard

Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "HBF" == Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

HBF> Several of my postings to the ding mailinglist have not reached
HBF> emacs.ding. 

Actually, I've been getting occasional bounces off of the mail2news
gateway.  Let me know who should get a bounce and I'll send a copy.

 - J<

Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

Jason L Tibbitts III writes:
>>>>>> "HBF" == Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:
>
>HBF> Several of my postings to the ding mailinglist have not reached
>HBF> emacs.ding. 

...for example my message above, and your reply.

> Actually, I've been getting occasional bounces off of the mail2news
> gateway.  Let me know who should get a bounce and I'll send a copy.

Eh?  That'd be anyone who reads the emacs.ding newsgroup, I guess:-)
It would be better to subscribe to ding@gnus.org.
Or read from the WWW archive, which is where I found your reply.

-- 
Hallvard

Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "HBF" == Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

>> Actually, I've been getting occasional bounces off of the mail2news
>> gateway.  Let me know who should get a bounce and I'll send a copy.

HBF> Eh?  That'd be anyone who reads the emacs.ding newsgroup, I guess:-)

I think you misunderstood me.  I am the guy who gets mail sent to
ding-owner.  I.e. I run the list.  The bounces I see come from the mail
gateway refusing messages.  I don't get a lot of bounces, though, so it may
not explain every message that's not making it.

Upon closer inspection, this may actually point to a Gnus bug somewhere.
Here's a relevant excerpt; note the duplicated Content-Type: header:

Article not accepted by server; not posted.
Duplicate "Content-Type" headerbad inews:  256 at /usr/local/etc/mailtonews.perl line 73, <STDIN> chunk 70.
554 |"/usr/local/etc/mailtonews.perl daimi.list.ding"... unknown mailer error 1

--SAA18705.919789706/daimi.au.dk
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; daimi.au.dk
Received-From-MTA: DNS; gizmo.hpc.uh.edu
Arrival-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:08:23 +0100 (MET)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; <ding@daimi.au.dk>
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/etc/mailtonews.perl daimi.list.ding@daimi.au.dk
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:08:26 +0100 (MET)

--SAA18705.919789706/daimi.au.dk
Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Return-Path: <owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu>
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: resending message & adding new headers
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From: davidk@lysator.liu.se (David Kågedal)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 18:02:03 +0100
In-Reply-To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "01 Feb 1999 22:09:40 +0100"
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Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Hallvard B Furuseth]

Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> writes:

> >>>>> "HBF" == Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:
> 
>>> Actually, I've been getting occasional bounces off of the mail2news
>>> gateway.  Let me know who should get a bounce and I'll send a copy.
> 
> I think you misunderstood me.

Yup.  Well, since there is only one ding newsgroup, I guess the gateway
could bounce to the sender as if it were the mailinglist.  So if the
mailinglist would take the envelope `From ' address and insert in an
X-Enveolope-From: header or something, you could bounce to that address.
Otherwise I guess you'd have to take the address from Reply-To:, From:,
Mail-Copies-To: or whatever it's called, like normal mail clients.  And
probably don't bounce if the resulting address contains the text 'ding'.

> The bounces I see come from the mail gateway refusing messages.
> I don't get a lot of bounces, though, so it may not explain every
> message that's not making it.

Indeed.  You could check what happened to your or my previous message
about the subject, or this one unless it for some reason does reach the
newsgroup:-)

> Upon closer inspection, this may actually point to a Gnus bug somewhere.
> Here's a relevant excerpt; note the duplicated Content-Type: header:

Or in the ding mailinglist.  Maybe it inserts MIME headers if it thinks
there are none.  Compare a failed original message with the message as
it looked in the ding mailinglist, i.e. this one if it too fails:-)

-- 
Hallvard

Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@math.uh.edu> writes:

> Article not accepted by server; not posted.
> Duplicate "Content-Type" headerbad inews:  256 at /usr/local/etc/mailtonews.perl line 73, <STDIN> chunk 70.
> 554 |"/usr/local/etc/mailtonews.perl daimi.list.ding"... unknown mailer error 1

Hm.  Under what circumstances does Gnus add double Content-Type
headers, I wonder?  Could y'all take a peek in your "*sent ... *"
buffers and see what you find?

Or perhaps it's an MTA that adds Content-Type headers?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Many articles do not reach the emacs.ding newsgroup

[Jason L Tibbitts III]

>>>>> "HBF" == Hallvard B Furuseth <h.b.furuseth@usit.uio.no> writes:

HBF> Or in the ding mailinglist.  Maybe it inserts MIME headers if it
HBF> thinks there are none.

I can guarantee that it does not.

 - J<