* nnfolder change?
@ 2010-09-20 14:44 Stephen Berman
2010-09-20 15:08 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-21 16:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-20 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
I use nnfolder as my mail backend. Sometime since September 9, there
was a change with the effect that, when I start Gnus, all my mail
directories in ~/Mail are visited and their buffers are added to the
buffer list; this does not happen in my September 9 build. Moreover,
the startup time is noticeably slowly that with the September 9 build.
At least the latter I would regard as a regression, but it's also
annoying to have the buffer list pollution. Are these effects bugs or
intentional, and if the latter, are there any variables I can set to
change back to the previous behavior?
Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-20 14:44 nnfolder change? Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-20 15:08 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-20 17:58 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-21 16:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dan Christensen @ 2010-09-20 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> I use nnfolder as my mail backend. Sometime since September 9, there
> was a change with the effect that, when I start Gnus, all my mail
> directories in ~/Mail are visited and their buffers are added to the
> buffer list; this does not happen in my September 9 build.
I can confirm that this happens with git gnus, at least for nnfolder
groups whose levels are low enough.
> Moreover, the startup time is noticeably slowly that with the
> September 9 build.
I've had mixed results measuring this. Sometimes the recent gnus
is a lot slower than my old Dec 2009 install, but most of the time
it is faster. But I don't have very many nnfolder groups at a low
level.
You can use benchmark.el to get precise timing results:
M-x load-library RET benchmark RET
M-x benchmark RET (gnus) RET
Dan
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-20 15:08 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-20 17:58 ` Stephen Berman
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-20 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:08:34 -0400 Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> wrote:
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> I use nnfolder as my mail backend. Sometime since September 9, there
>> was a change with the effect that, when I start Gnus, all my mail
>> directories in ~/Mail are visited and their buffers are added to the
s/directories/files/
>> buffer list; this does not happen in my September 9 build.
8
>
> I can confirm that this happens with git gnus, at least for nnfolder
> groups whose levels are low enough.
>
Good to know it's not an idiosyncrasy of my setup.
>> Moreover, the startup time is noticeably slowly that with the
slower than
>> September 9 build.
>
> I've had mixed results measuring this. Sometimes the recent gnus
> is a lot slower than my old Dec 2009 install, but most of the time
> it is faster. But I don't have very many nnfolder groups at a low
> level.
>
> You can use benchmark.el to get precise timing results:
>
> M-x load-library RET benchmark RET
> M-x benchmark RET (gnus) RET
Thanks for the pointer; here are my measurements:
2010-09-08 build: Elapsed time: 3.953596s (1.693183s in 24 GCs)
2010-09-17 build: Elapsed time: 9.543028s (2.021980s in 27 GCs)
Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-20 14:44 nnfolder change? Stephen Berman
2010-09-20 15:08 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-21 16:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-21 18:50 ` Stephen Berman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-21 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> I use nnfolder as my mail backend. Sometime since September 9, there
> was a change with the effect that, when I start Gnus, all my mail
> directories in ~/Mail are visited and their buffers are added to the
> buffer list; this does not happen in my September 9 build.
What's your setup like? Could you post the `G E' output from a few of
the nnfolder groups that are activated?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-21 16:13 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-21 18:50 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-21 21:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-21 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:13:56 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> I use nnfolder as my mail backend. Sometime since September 9, there
>> was a change with the effect that, when I start Gnus, all my mail
>> directories in ~/Mail are visited and their buffers are added to the
>> buffer list; this does not happen in my September 9 build.
>
> What's your setup like?
Pretty basic, I think:
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
'((nnfolder "private")))
Plus a number of hooks for displaying, sorting, highlighting, etc.
FWIW, my ~/Mail/active file contains 69 group entries.
> Could you post the `G E' output from a few of
> the nnfolder groups that are activated?
Appended below.
Steve Berman
[-- Attachment #2: G E output 1 --]
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;;; Editing the group info for `nnfolder+private:comp.misc'.
;; Type `C-c C-c' after you've finished editing.
("nnfolder+private:comp.misc" 1
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"nnfolder:private")
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;;; Editing the group info for `nnfolder+private:suse.security.announce'.
;; Type `C-c C-c' after you've finished editing.
("nnfolder+private:suse.security.announce" 1
((1 . 772))
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"nnfolder:private")
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;;; Editing the group info for `nnfolder+private:emacs.personal'.
;; Type `C-c C-c' after you've finished editing.
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2010-09-21 18:50 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-21 21:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 8:16 ` Stephen Berman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-21 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
> '((nnfolder "private")))
[...]
> "nnfolder:private")
Looks very normal. Hm... Well, this may have been related to the
server method equivalence code, which may mean that it's been fixed by
the stuff I just checked in. But I'm not sure at all...
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-21 21:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 8:16 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-22 12:12 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-22 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-22 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:11:36 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>> '((nnfolder "private")))
>
> [...]
>
>> "nnfolder:private")
>
> Looks very normal. Hm... Well, this may have been related to the
> server method equivalence code, which may mean that it's been fixed by
> the stuff I just checked in. But I'm not sure at all...
I just updated from the trunk, which I believe includes your changes,
and bootstrapped, and unfortunately all the mail files under ~/Mail
still get loaded into buffers on starting Gnus, and the startup time was
now about 30% slower than with my previous build :-(
Elapsed time: 13.734284s (2.105971s in 27 GCs)
Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 8:16 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-22 12:12 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-22 16:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dan Christensen @ 2010-09-22 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> I just updated from the trunk, which I believe includes your changes,
> and bootstrapped, and unfortunately all the mail files under ~/Mail
> still get loaded into buffers on starting Gnus
I also still get lots of nnfolder groups creating buffers that stick
around. And I also get a lot of nnimap buffers for a remote imap
server that I don't actually use much:
* *nnimap jdc.math.uwo.: 161 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<2> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<3> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<4> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<5> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<6> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<7> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<8> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.u:<9> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.:<10> 256 Fundamental
* *nnimap jdc.math.:<11> 190 Fundamental
My local imap server only has one buffer.
Dan
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 12:12 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-22 16:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 17:55 ` Dan Christensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes:
> I also still get lots of nnfolder groups creating buffers that stick
> around. And I also get a lot of nnimap buffers for a remote imap
> server that I don't actually use much:
>
> * *nnimap jdc.math.uwo.: 161 Fundamental
> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<2> 256 Fundamental
> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<3> 256 Fundamental
> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<4> 256 Fundamental
> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<5> 256 Fundamental
This again points to the thing I thought was wrong.
Could you, too, do a
(gnus-find-method-for-group "nnimap+that.server:a.few.groups")
on a few group names and post the output?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 16:30 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 17:55 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-22 19:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dan Christensen @ 2010-09-22 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes:
>
>> I also still get lots of nnfolder groups creating buffers that stick
>> around. And I also get a lot of nnimap buffers for a remote imap
>> server that I don't actually use much:
>>
>> * *nnimap jdc.math.uwo.: 161 Fundamental
>> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<2> 256 Fundamental
>> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<3> 256 Fundamental
>> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<4> 256 Fundamental
>> * *nnimap jdc.math.u:<5> 256 Fundamental
>
> This again points to the thing I thought was wrong.
>
> Could you, too, do a
>
> (gnus-find-method-for-group "nnimap+that.server:a.few.groups")
>
> on a few group names and post the output?
I tried on about 8 of the 12 groups, and every one had the following:
(nnimap "jdc" (nnimap-address "jdc.math.uwo.ca") (nnimap-stream shell))
Some more information: all of the groups on that server are at level 5,
so they are not activated by default. And most of the buffers contain
just the following:
-----
* CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 SASL-IR SORT THREAD=REFERENCES MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT LITERAL+ IDLE CHILDREN NAMESPACE LOGIN-REFERRALS UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1.
3290 OK Capability completed..
Read from remote host jdc.math.uwo.ca: Connection reset by peer.
Process *nnimap*<1> exited abnormally with code 255
-----
Some of them contain:
-----
* SEARCH 6271 6272 6273 6274 6276 6277 6278 6279 6285.
3447 OK Search completed (0.000 secs)..
* BYE Disconnected for inactivity..
Process *nnimap*<1> finished
-----
So maybe this has something to do with having a server with no groups
below the current active level? The same is true for many of my
nnfolder groups.
Dan
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 17:55 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-22 19:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 19:41 ` Dan Christensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes:
> I tried on about 8 of the 12 groups, and every one had the following:
>
> (nnimap "jdc" (nnimap-address "jdc.math.uwo.ca") (nnimap-stream shell))
>
> Some more information: all of the groups on that server are at level 5,
> so they are not activated by default. And most of the buffers contain
> just the following:
>
> -----
> * CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 SASL-IR SORT THREAD=REFERENCES MULTIAPPEND UNSELECT LITERAL+ IDLE CHILDREN NAMESPACE LOGIN-REFERRALS UIDPLUS LIST-EXTENDED I18NLEVEL=1.
> 3290 OK Capability completed..
> Read from remote host jdc.math.uwo.ca: Connection reset by peer.
>
> Process *nnimap*<1> exited abnormally with code 255
> -----
Hm.
With the change I pushed right now, could you try eval-in the following
in a few of the *nnimap ... * buffers?
(nnimap-server nnimap-object)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 19:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 19:41 ` Dan Christensen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dan Christensen @ 2010-09-22 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> With the change I pushed right now, could you try eval-in the following
> in a few of the *nnimap ... * buffers?
>
> (nnimap-server nnimap-object)
I just did a git pull and restarted emacs and gnus, and now there are
no *nnimap...* buffers for that jdc server (which is good, because its
groups are at a high level and so shouldn't be activated). I'll let you
know if they show up again.
But I still do get lots of nnfolder buffers hanging around.
Dan
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 8:16 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-22 12:12 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-22 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 18:52 ` Stephen Berman
1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> I just updated from the trunk, which I believe includes your changes,
> and bootstrapped, and unfortunately all the mail files under ~/Mail
> still get loaded into buffers on starting Gnus, and the startup time was
> now about 30% slower than with my previous build :-(
Geez.
What does the following say?
(gnus-find-method-for-group "nnfolder+private:comp.misc")
And try it on a couple of different nnfolder groups. If they all return
exactly the same thing, then I'm looking at the wrong place to try to
debug this.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 18:52 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-22 19:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-22 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:29:02 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> I just updated from the trunk, which I believe includes your changes,
>> and bootstrapped, and unfortunately all the mail files under ~/Mail
>> still get loaded into buffers on starting Gnus, and the startup time was
>> now about 30% slower than with my previous build :-(
>
> Geez.
>
> What does the following say?
>
> (gnus-find-method-for-group "nnfolder+private:comp.misc")
(nnfolder "private")
> And try it on a couple of different nnfolder groups. If they all return
> exactly the same thing, then I'm looking at the wrong place to try to
> debug this.
Every group in ~/Mail/active returns (nnfolder "private").
Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 18:52 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-22 19:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 19:32 ` Dan Christensen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>> (gnus-find-method-for-group "nnfolder+private:comp.misc")
>
> (nnfolder "private")
What's your nnfolder-get-new-mail variable?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 19:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 19:32 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-22 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 22:27 ` Stephen Berman
0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Dan Christensen @ 2010-09-22 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> What's your nnfolder-get-new-mail variable?
Mine is t.
Dan
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 19:32 ` Dan Christensen
@ 2010-09-22 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 19:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-22 22:27 ` Stephen Berman
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> writes:
>> What's your nnfolder-get-new-mail variable?
>
> Mine is t.
Ok; then I see what's going on with nnfolder. But I'm not quite sure
what the fix here is... hm...
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 19:32 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-22 19:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-22 22:27 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-22 22:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-22 22:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:32:48 -0400 Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> wrote:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> What's your nnfolder-get-new-mail variable?
>
> Mine is t.
Mine is nil (I populate /var/spool/mail/ via fetchmail to prefilter and
transfer mail from there to Gnus manually with `C-u 1 g').
Nevertheless...
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:39:52 -0400 Dan Christensen <jdc@uwo.ca> wrote:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> I *think* I now understand how this is supposed to work, but I'm not
>> 100% sure. I pushed out a fix, anyway...
>
> Well, it seems to work. Now I don't see any nnfolder buffers after
> starting Gnus, and the same is true after activating a few nnfolder
> groups and entering them.
I applied the patch manually (it hasn't been merged to trunk yet),
rebuilt and am pleased to confirm Dan's observation about nnfolder
groups. Moreover, the startup time has improved markedly (though it's
still around 20% slower than with my build of September 8):
Elapsed time: 5.035977s (1.681695s in 24 GCs)
> Thanks!
>
> Dan
Ditto!
Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 22:27 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-22 22:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-23 8:24 ` Stephen Berman
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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-22 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> Moreover, the startup time has improved markedly (though it's
> still around 20% slower than with my build of September 8):
>
> Elapsed time: 5.035977s (1.681695s in 24 GCs)
I'd be interested in knowing what takes time here, but it's a bit
difficult to figure out. Hm.
I've now added tracing to `gnus-open-server'. You'll get a new buffer
called *gnus trace* that records all times and what servers we're
opening. This should at least give a hint as to where the time is being
spent.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-22 22:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
@ 2010-09-23 8:24 ` Stephen Berman
2010-09-23 16:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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From: Stephen Berman @ 2010-09-23 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:33:59 +0200 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> Moreover, the startup time has improved markedly (though it's
>> still around 20% slower than with my build of September 8):
>>
>> Elapsed time: 5.035977s (1.681695s in 24 GCs)
>
> I'd be interested in knowing what takes time here, but it's a bit
> difficult to figure out. Hm.
With the latest changes, the startup time was:
Elapsed time: 4.691736s (2.069494s in 24 GCs)
> I've now added tracing to `gnus-open-server'. You'll get a new buffer
> called *gnus trace* that records all times and what servers we're
> opening. This should at least give a hint as to where the time is being
> spent.
Here it is:
[-- Attachment #2: Gnus trace --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Size: 636 bytes --]
10:17:21 (nntp "news.gmane.org")
10:17:23 (nnfolder "private")
10:17:23 (nnfolder "archive" (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive") (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active") (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
10:17:23 (nnfolder "private")
10:17:23 (nnfolder "archive" (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive") (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active") (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
10:17:23 (nnfolder "private")
10:17:23 (nnfolder "archive" (nnfolder-directory "~/Mail/archive") (nnfolder-active-file "~/Mail/archive/active") (nnfolder-get-new-mail nil) (nnfolder-inhibit-expiry t))
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Steve Berman
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* Re: nnfolder change?
2010-09-23 8:24 ` Stephen Berman
@ 2010-09-23 16:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread
From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen @ 2010-09-23 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ding
Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> writes:
> Here it is:
> 10:17:21 (nntp "news.gmane.org")
> 10:17:23 (nnfolder "private")
Looks like most time is spent reading the active file from Gmane, I
guess. This is actually possible to stream -- I could add -early and
-finish methods for nntp, so that Gnus can carry on working instead of
waiting for the data from the nntp server(s). In some use cases, that
should give a good speed boost, especially if you have many servers, and
one (or more) of them have bad latency.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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