Sever expunged /agent viewable?

Sever expunged /agent viewable?

[Harry Putnam]

Am I the "Lone Ranger" on this:

I've carefully noted the oldest viewable articles in gnu.emacs.gnus
(agentized and downloaded with a predicate of "true" [all]), twice
now since the release of '0.91 (now running '0.95).  I've put comments
in Group params indicating the oldest articles dates.  After a few
days those articles disappear from Gnus view just as before 0.91.

Example:  Yesterday I entered (unplugged) gnu.emacs.gnus with `C-u
<RET>'.  The oldest articles on display were Jun 13-14.  Today I enter
the same group after downloading `J s' to agent.  Enter gnu.emacs.gnus
with C-u <RET>.  The oldest viewable articles are Jun 26.

Everthing from Jun  13-14 to Jun 26 is now invisible  but still in the
directory.  This is  not supposed to happen anymore.   

Lars has suggested that my setup is hosed: 

>  Message-ID: <m3so6z8vos.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org>
  Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:

> > Or are you saying that only messages downloaded by "91" or later will
> > be kept visible? 

 Lars writes:
> No, but it sounds (from your other posts) like there's something
> seriously wrong with your Agent setup, I think.

Are other users seeing the behavior described above or is gnus
displaying your (expunged from server articles) as advertised?
 
As it happens, the NNTP server I use, shows the same message being the
oldest as does my gnu.emacs.gnus (agentized) group.

Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus
Subject: Re: pop3.el and hanging emacs
From: John Saylor <jsaylor@mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <m34sjvxi48.fsf@office.saylor.bogus>

Re: Sever expunged /agent viewable?

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:

> Example:  Yesterday I entered (unplugged) gnu.emacs.gnus with `C-u
> <RET>'.  The oldest articles on display were Jun 13-14.  Today I enter
> the same group after downloading `J s' to agent.  Enter gnu.emacs.gnus
> with C-u <RET>.  The oldest viewable articles are Jun 26.

This seems to work OK for me now.  Are you still seeing this?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: Sever expunged /agent viewable?

[Harry Putnam]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> 
> > Example:  Yesterday I entered (unplugged) gnu.emacs.gnus with `C-u
> > <RET>'.  The oldest articles on display were Jun 13-14.  Today I enter
> > the same group after downloading `J s' to agent.  Enter gnu.emacs.gnus
> > with C-u <RET>.  The oldest viewable articles are Jun 26.
> 
> This seems to work OK for me now.  Are you still seeing this?


No, I am seeing more of the down loaded articles now but still see
peculiar behavior, depending on how "unplugged mode is entered.

This is chronicled better in a recent post that you probably haven't
yet gotten to in your AMAZING marathon of replies.

Subject: 2 Agent behaviors 
Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:59:02 -0700
Message-ID: <m3hflv5ktl.fsf@satellite.local.lan>

In summary:  I see different "oldest article" dates depending on how I
enter `gnus-unplugged'.   I see one "oldest" date when going from
gnus-plugged to gnus-unplugged.   I see an older "oldest" date if
going to M-x gnus-unplugged  directly from a freshly started emacs (ie
without going plugged first).


Here is todays example of what I am talking about:

Entering gnu.emacs.gnus with C-u <RET> after going unplugged from a
running online gnus:

Oldest  displayed few...


7O  08-Aug [  21: Arcady Genkin       ] Re: Gnus rocks.
 1O  08-Aug     [  29: Hugh Lawson         ] 
 1O  08-Aug     [  16: Kai Großjohann      ] 
 1O  08-Aug     <  14: Lyndon Watson       > 


Closing gnus and emacs..... Start emacs then `M-x gnus-unplugged':
Enter gnu.emacs.gnus (after first pressing "L" to find it.) with C-u <RET>

Oldest displayed few...


 2O  13-Jul [  15: Pranav Tiwari       ] mime customization\r 1O  13-Jul     [  16: Kai Großjohann      ] 
25R  13-Jul [  60: Jonas Steverud      ] Re: Why use Gnus and Emacs?
 9O  13-Jul     <  22: Kai Großjohann      > 
 8O  13-Jul         [  28: jmorris@nemonet.com ]