gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[vvv]

Hi,

i reinstalled emacs and gnus from scratch and cleaned my home dir,
so that everything gnus-relared except my .emacs was absent.

i have the following gnus-select-method setting: (nntp "localhost").

Then i tried to subscribe to my local news server's groups.
But wgen i started gnus, it did not find/show any new newsgroups
on this server (i pressed `A z' and `A k' in a group buffer, but
it showed nothing). But the newsgroups were there! If i try to
subscribe manually to a newsgroup (`U'), then gnus does not show
the nntp backend, nor it shows possible newsgroups (when
completing an empty string). But if i, say, enter a newsgroup
like nntp:some.newsgroup, then gnus subscribes to it.

i was able to subscribe to the newsgroups by entering the server
buffer, and pressing enter on nntp:localhost server. But why
`A z' and `A k' do not work (and gnus does not find new
newsgroups)?

	Best regards, -- Vladimir.
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Re: gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

vvv@vvv.vsu.ru writes:

> Then i tried to subscribe to my local news server's groups.
> But wgen i started gnus, it did not find/show any new newsgroups
> on this server (i pressed `A z' and `A k' in a group buffer, but
> it showed nothing). But the newsgroups were there! If i try to
> subscribe manually to a newsgroup (`U'), then gnus does not show
> the nntp backend, nor it shows possible newsgroups (when
> completing an empty string). But if i, say, enter a newsgroup
> like nntp:some.newsgroup, then gnus subscribes to it.

Yes, you can always type in a full group name, even if Gnus doesn't
know about it beforehand.

> i was able to subscribe to the newsgroups by entering the server
> buffer, and pressing enter on nntp:localhost server. But why
> `A z' and `A k' do not work (and gnus does not find new
> newsgroups)?

I've just tried starting Gnus with no init files, and all the groups
seem to get shown when I `A k'.  

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[Vladimir Volovich]

"LMI" == Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes:

 >> i was able to subscribe to the newsgroups by entering the server
 >> buffer, and pressing enter on nntp:localhost server. But why `A z'
 >> and `A k' do not work (and gnus does not find new newsgroups)?

 LMI> I've just tried starting Gnus with no init files, and all the
 LMI> groups seem to get shown when I `A k'.

some more thing: gnus does not show me new newsgroups even for nnmbox
backend. i.e. when i receive new mails, and gnus splits them into
nnmbox groups, the messages which came to new groups (which were not
known to gnus previously, i.e. which received a message for the first
time) are not shown! Only going to the server buffer i'm able to see
those groups and subscribe. This behavior is present for a long time,
afaik (but it was not too annoying, because after i manage to
subscribe to all my groups, all works fine).

	Best regards, -- Vladimir.

Re: gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes:

> some more thing: gnus does not show me new newsgroups even for nnmbox
> backend. i.e. when i receive new mails, and gnus splits them into
> nnmbox groups, the messages which came to new groups (which were not
> known to gnus previously, i.e. which received a message for the first
> time) are not shown!

Yes.  `F' makes Gnus query its backends for new groups.

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Re: gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[David Hedbor]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Vladimir Volovich <vvv@vvv.vsu.ru> writes:
> 
> > some more thing: gnus does not show me new newsgroups even for nnmbox
> > backend. i.e. when i receive new mails, and gnus splits them into
> > nnmbox groups, the messages which came to new groups (which were not
> > known to gnus previously, i.e. which received a message for the first
> > time) are not shown!
> 
> Yes.  `F' makes Gnus query its backends for new groups.

That reminds me... I had problems with Gnus not finding new mail
groups at work (same place that has APOP problems). At home new groups 
has always been found after pressing F. Any debugging ideas? (If I add 
them manually with G it works fine).

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Re: gnus does not show killed or zombie groups

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

David Hedbor <david@hedbor.org> writes:

> That reminds me... I had problems with Gnus not finding new mail
> groups at work (same place that has APOP problems). 

If you quit and re-start Gnus, does it then find the new groups?

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  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen