From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/74934 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:43 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292256690 9651 80.91.229.12 (13 Dec 2010 16:11:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:11:30 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23290@lists.math.uh.edu Mon Dec 13 17:11:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzi-00087y-Oq for ding-account@gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:11:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzP-0004yW-4Z; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:11:03 -0600 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzN-0004yK-7m for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:11:01 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzI-0005tK-FY for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:11:01 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzH-0001wF-OS for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:55 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSAzF-0007tk-OO for ding@gnus.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:53 +0100 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:53 +0100 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:10:53 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVpUD2IeGhdPCmaqKbe 1cH+//6Kmpn9/PkpCQhAKh5fIPDLAAACXUlEQVQ4jW3UQY+aQBQH8IdtNs6NkdSUG0ybjdyWjLXp sZEN56Yar7o0JD02YcMVOTRvbsg2De/b9g2o3dV98TS/ef8HOADl4/qqNmW5hvJ6fW33wuN6k25W ZVoWjy96LSS/ioQr/XQJ82TJv2XyeVgqkjOkSV9Fv75S6u0p6nmlE6XU/RGK46LO9Y8klBLevdLx lRvUx7JkWOXP6wHAlY7W1xByR5C/BgCjcHEN21AxXEZto1aGrjv60EdtzuvZqMNqxDPyM2RTC7FA NKBUuMjO0HfczRBrZyfzyw6XImqdbHEC3pHd9CPQBCrw9GJxhl1oQWCj2vZGa93PWLk3+e7WRs0q T4oe+vv4Bpxjo3Zd/cYd0eEE34PpAHG39+IYqxOs4D/oeYz1EVKGxQmkFyMNUCSFlHrRw6ySmiHr 4b5MpMxjB/jGx7Xj3aEZIJ37RIc44ivgRyX1ezTeMCObUHQQ1EoLYcyP63aAnDsqYRhygaYZG0R7 i1DqiYpC7nC0T9iFLiEiT4EtCEN9VBYR+Ycp/yf4mwFURFHj2w6i5ksl3jMYBsWgGGrJQON61mCf BW3AHa1PRuqIOqyx7hg8DSM+RnxgZsbRguwajivEJ44SgQIQhCrzB2iqjqcDkmoDC/jk2ytF3LPv GZDaluzePQMnCzV2GpkBnqv+SaaH8ALMNqABDhOGyAxBDA+H1kLbCtfJgEgdO1pqwAK1PhwscAdR xG9LZ/i6OYokjTyQ+W7Kp1Xm01zKnYUokr7w4MV3YsVBHRFA8wdefF0KEMM8+ttDeapCLzW/7ks9 F/8ANYpvqQWl9x4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Barbara Morgenstern's _Fan No 2 (1)_: "Das Wort" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:imYkm4I9YvU3FcwNRAiJn0R5PiI= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:74934 Archived-At: The mission: To make first-time Gnus usage not suck. (Long-term we want to use Assistants, but let's just contemplate Gnus defaults for the time being.) So, created a brand new test user, and I put the following in my .emacs file: (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "imap.gmail.com")) I then `M-x gnus', was prompted for username/password (fine), and then I'm asked whether I want to save the credentials (fine), and I'm then dumped into .gpg query hell (not fine, but Ted is fixing that, I think), and then I'm given a "warning" about a drafts groups being created (wtf?), and then I'm presented with this: *: nndraft:queue *: nndraft:drafts And that's all. So, obvious things to fix is: 1) get rid of messages saying: Setting up drafts group Warning: Setting up drafts group 2) don't create the queue group -- it should be deferred until it's needed (if ever) 3) make sure the draft group is activated, so that it isn't shown. It's empty, so it shouldn't be 4) subscribe all the groups from the primary select method (and activate them) if the primary select method is a mail method (like nnimap) Thoughts? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen