From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/71758 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: STARTTLS support Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:24:01 +0200 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <87ocbo4e4c.fsf@gmail.com> <87mxr7z8hp.fsf@gmail.com> <844odf5ap0.fsf@davestoy.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1285442729 16345 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2010 19:25:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:25:29 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M20131@lists.math.uh.edu Sat Sep 25 21:25:25 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaN8-0004cG-Ak for ding-account@gmane.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:25:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaN7-00086m-8q; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:25:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaN5-00086V-K6 for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:25:19 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaMs-0003R0-Cd for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:25:19 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1OzaMr-0000Fp-00 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:25:05 +0200 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OzaMq-0004WM-3I for ding@gnus.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:25:04 +0200 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:25:04 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:25:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUAAACkeVoIBQUbFBQC AAE8KySdCCbMAAACa0lEQVQ4jXWTTZLjIAyFNQk5AHGx7wi8b4O1dxNl34TW/a8yDyfTP1XTiuNU 9CEh9AT5X4x+BcFa8ME3P57vwMRgwazh+QF2G972XzDIT6AwRjrp0vtIK3249BNYx0fGjl2JaAfC X6Za4XEPUD/dVZ+21R8R+gRON0dO1Thx3tfX4YR3BxURyrlyfax3bkAU8CcsZ4AEd0Lau9t2QhUn C8X7zAO4/Eob7RHeB1sW30LMCDjZKxE22JQmnFWaX/yZo883JLgnOoZEephtukzx0aFYVzXf53Yn crOc3yI/G5jKFcoE35HxNK8cWZ5dHQs6mocaTlISc25fYGLJpNvNJDDPBoFhC96BLZPbWhd/5+Wp eUEZhg5h8wvON40Ij2ealyCjebRtJ39HMEsPcoZSktigHdHJygfqQIMhYzFRgNErOgVb586x5NiK cEmJOwQgOnYfYuFiLDJZkJS5Q1ToPsoQjpLTtXsPkM/oPsARNQrkS7rNzQvnMiknnOMYMFGc0PRq vtmYlF1BOkJu7Lwm5dmbwX+zdB3AFSv9kl8cdJ+FUy1pVEWnw5jeiLOvNcw4dbX7OiJudMU4F87I MXHhtdq6p8IX1RTt7eMtRFSl/a4DVNpu3rMDuAzAVTIAhuXwIi3wVpZbQypM8jXvEYfDh7Tp7piX JjEC6PoAt3exdaOaqsQSryVrHuU6lvfRGgxxNCyvpShrHJvjz2gmaRWtkTmhbUPa5OL4xVjqrAfs AVArvcAdITEmdoC57BFwpJo5doa3Vp5jQd/wwpSkOZcImR73vey3tyCMRs9htl/mMlzjb8n03XT7 d2uV/wLo18htNBXwmQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Charles Mingus & Eric Dolphy's _Complete Live in Amsterdam (1)_: "Orange was the Color of Her Dress" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:KrYeQawaok5yzNoN+1LVdEDqzas= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:71758 Archived-At: CHENG Gao writes: > Please forgive me for asking one stupid question: what's the benefit of > STARTTLS over TLS (if server supports STARTTLS over IMAP)? Isn't STARTTLS just a hack to provide encryption without having to open more ports in the firewall, sort of? STARTTLS is just that you contact a server the normal way, then say "STARTTLS", and then you start negotiating the encryption and stuff. TLS is just contacting a socket and then doing the encryption negotiation immediately, without saying "STARTTLS" in clear text first. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen