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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: That newfangled IMAP thing...
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:07:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3k4moks25.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878w34ayvq.fsf@lifelogs.com>

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> The storage is easy if the backend supports it (which is why it's been
> done like that so far).  The value is when we reuse the logic for
> merging and resolving conflicts and we let users store marks outside of
> the newsrc.eld (for NNTP access from home vs. work for instance).

My vision is that Gnus in Emacs 24 should be so snappy and usable that a
normal nerdy programmer user would prefer using Gnus to, er, what,
Mozilla?  Or whatever the kids these days are using.

So a typical setup with a couple of IMAP servers and a couple of NNTP
servers should use less than 1 second on a `g', preferably much less
than that.  For NNTP that's easy enough, since it just gives you all the
data you need on a platter.  For IMAP, it's more difficult, since
there's a lot more data to transfer (i.e., all the flags per message).

I think I'm on the right track there with the streaming flags and stuff,
and a general gnus-sync thing, while sounding very useful, I can't
really see achieving that speed.  I'm cutting all the corners I can to
get Gnus snappy.  :-)

But that doesn't mean that Gnus couldn't use gnus-sync stuff in addition
to doing it in as sloppy manner as possible with "native" nnimap sync.

Of course, after getting nnimap up to speed, and ironing out the rest of
the problems that turned up after I rewrote the `g' function (I'm sure
there are more even though Katsumi has fixed a bunch), is writing an
HTML renderer in Emacs Lisp.  Then people can read their HTML email from
their IMAP servers without any problems, and Gnus will be
feature-complete.  :-)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen




  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-14 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 219+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-05  1:04 Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05  1:12 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:20   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 11:44     ` Sebastian Krause
2010-09-05 12:00     ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-05 13:16     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 19:58     ` James Cloos
2010-09-06  7:17     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-07 14:15     ` Wes Hardaker
2010-09-07 14:52       ` Richard Riley
2010-09-07 17:56         ` Wes Hardaker
2010-12-05 12:33         ` Matthias Andree
2010-09-05  1:56 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-05  2:17 ` Tibor Simko
2010-09-05  2:27 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05  7:18   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:00     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 13:31       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 11:23   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:22     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 13:25       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:43         ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:26     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 17:30       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-06  9:05         ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-06 15:02           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 15:28             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 14:54               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-09 14:58                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 15:07                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05 17:30       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 10:55 ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 13:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:07     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-05 17:10       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:30         ` Memnon Anon
2010-09-06  7:41           ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-27 23:16     ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-29 14:43       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-29 19:19         ` Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:03           ` [PATCH] nnimap.el (nnimap-process-expiry-targets): avoid downloading articles unless necessary Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:17             ` expiry taking "forever" in both cpu time and real time when the IMAP UID is high Bjørn Mork
2010-12-02 12:59               ` Daniel Pittman
2010-12-02 13:28                 ` Bjørn Mork
2010-12-05 12:21                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-11-06 22:24                     ` slow nnimap expiry (dubious patch) John Magorrian
2012-01-03 22:53                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-13  8:56                         ` Bjørn Mork
2012-02-13 19:27                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-13 20:48                             ` Bjørn Mork
2012-02-26 14:27                         ` Dave Abrahams
2012-03-10  0:51                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-03-10 18:16                             ` Dave Abrahams
2012-03-10 19:57                               ` John Magorrian
2010-12-05 12:16             ` [PATCH] nnimap.el (nnimap-process-expiry-targets): avoid downloading articles unless necessary Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 12:43 ` That newfangled IMAP thing Greg Troxel
2010-09-05 12:56   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:16     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:38       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:40         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:46           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:12             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:43               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:49                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 16:59                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:00                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 17:47                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:49                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 12:50                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-09 12:55                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-09 13:55                       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-09 13:59                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-09 14:26                         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-09 17:14                         ` Sebastian Krause
2010-09-10 23:33                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-10 23:53                             ` Jason L Tibbitts III
2010-09-11  0:02                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11  0:16                                 ` Greg Troxel
2010-09-11  0:31                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11  3:42                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-11 11:07                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-11 11:47                                         ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-11 15:44                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11 17:20                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-11 17:30                                               ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-11 17:31                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  8:38                                               ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12  9:24                                                 ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-12  9:53                                                   ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 11:12                                                   ` Richard Riley
2010-09-12 13:15                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 15:12                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 15:40                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-12 16:03                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 16:56                                                         ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-12 17:03                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 17:26                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-12 17:29                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 19:47                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12 20:19                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  4:28                                                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 17:24                                                         ` Richard Riley
2010-09-13 10:54                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13  4:26                                                   ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13  9:28                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  9:49                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13  9:57                                                         ` David Edmondson
2010-09-13 10:20                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  9:58                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 10:07                                                           ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-13 10:24                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13 11:06                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 11:54                                                                 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13 12:20                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-11 20:52                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  2:17                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-12  8:32                                                 ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-12 13:08                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13  4:24                                                     ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-13 10:51                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13 11:09                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 12:24                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-13 12:58                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 14:22                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 20:36                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 21:43                                                             ` Knut Anders Hatlen
2010-09-13 21:55                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 22:12                                                                 ` Knut Anders Hatlen
2010-09-13 22:14                                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-13 22:54                                                                 ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-14  7:19                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 15:10                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 15:18                                                                     ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 15:29                                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 15:30                                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 15:44                                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 16:21                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 18:51                                                                           ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:01                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:23                                                                               ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:26                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:47                                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:57                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 20:07                                                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:19                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:24                                                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:35                                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:40                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:40                                                                               ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:43                                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:46                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-15  8:37                                                                                   ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:26                                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 19:28                                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 19:44                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-15 10:24                                                                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-14 19:35                                                                           ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-14 19:44                                                                           ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-14 19:50                                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 20:07                                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2010-09-14 20:23                                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-14 20:49                                                                                   ` Frank Schmitt
2010-09-15  6:05                                                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-15  7:33                                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-13 23:56                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14  0:10                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14  0:35                                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-14 10:58                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-12  2:18                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-12  2:32                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 15:23                   ` Dan Christensen
2010-09-06 20:14                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:01                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 21:05                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:27                           ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-06 21:29                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 21:39                               ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-07  0:57                         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-07  1:41                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-07  2:49                             ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-07  6:14                               ` Gijs Hillenius
2010-09-07  7:17                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-07 14:57                       ` Bjørn Mork
2010-09-07 17:59                       ` James Cloos
2010-09-07 18:16                         ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08  8:34                           ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08  9:06                             ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 10:00                               ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08 10:07                                 ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-08 12:06                                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 12:18                                     ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-08 14:29                                     ` Vegard Vesterheim
2010-09-08 14:43                                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 11:50                                 ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-08 21:26                                   ` Wes Hardaker
2010-09-05 15:02               ` Mark Plaksin
2010-09-05 16:01               ` David Engster
2010-09-05 16:06                 ` David Engster
2010-09-05 16:15                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 18:15                   ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 18:21                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 19:46                       ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 19:58                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 12:57                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-06 13:01                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 13:12                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2010-09-05 20:04                       ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-05 20:10                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 14:44             ` Tom Rauchenwald
2010-09-06  3:51         ` Daniel Pittman
2010-09-06  8:45         ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-06 13:39           ` Romain Francoise
2010-09-06 14:23             ` Julien Danjou
2010-09-06 21:01               ` Daniel Dehennin
2010-09-06 21:04                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-06 16:26             ` Gijs Hillenius
2010-09-06 16:40               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-05 13:27     ` Steinar Bang
2010-09-05 17:25     ` Frank Schmitt

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