From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/28668 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Volovich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Re[2]: 8-bit headers not encoded Date: 09 Jan 2000 00:04:41 +0300 Sender: owner-ding@hpc.uh.edu Message-ID: References: <87bt70mgn5.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> <13592.000106@nstl.nnov.ru> <87wvpn8gwz.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> <87k8lk5mf3.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: coloc-standby.netfonds.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035165474 31008 80.91.224.250 (21 Oct 2002 01:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 01:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Return-Path: Original-Received: from spinoza.math.uh.edu (spinoza.math.uh.edu [129.7.128.18]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A25D051F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:13:25 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (lists@Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by spinoza.math.uh.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAB22069; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:13:02 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: by sina.hpc.uh.edu (TLB v0.09a (1.20 tibbs 1996/10/09 22:03:07)); Sat, 08 Jan 2000 15:13:03 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from mailhost.sclp.com (postfix@sclp3.sclp.com [204.252.123.139]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24672 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:12:51 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: from relay2.vsu.ru (mail.vsu.ru [62.76.169.17]) by mailhost.sclp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328ADD051F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:11:07 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by relay2.vsu.ru (Postfix, from userid 5) id 8947519BB; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:10:44 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: (from vvv@localhost) by vvv.vsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03953; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:04:42 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: vvv.vsu.ru: vvv set sender to vvv@vvv.vsu.ru using -f Original-To: ding@gnus.org In-Reply-To: Florian Weimer's message of "08 Jan 2000 21:38:24 +0100" Original-Lines: 52 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.4 Precedence: list X-Majordomo: 1.94.jlt7 Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28668 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.gnus.general:28668 "FW" == Florian Weimer writes: >> Then, 8-bit cyrillic text in subject was sent as 8-bit, but NOT in >> koi8-r; it was in iso-8859-5 encoding. what should i do to make >> gnus use koi8-r for 8-bit text in headers? FW> Okay, I'll try to fix it as soon as I find some time FW> (unfortunately, that's a big problem at the moment...). In the FW> meantime, could you resist to set this variable at all? well, when posting to some newsgroups, i need to use 8-bit koi8-r encoded text in headers (e.g. subject) because otherwise cyrillic text will be messed up when gatewaying them e.g. to FidoNet. so, i do need this feature :-) (meanwhile, i could use gnus 5.8.2) FW> The default value seems to work correctly (it uses FW> quoted-printable in the header). to be pedantic, gnus uses for iso-8859-5 not quoted-printable, but `b' type encoded-word (which is closer to base64 than to quoted-printable). FW> BTW, do you specify `iso-8859-5' somewhere as default? Not much, but i wish i had a possibility to specify preferable cyrillic charsets for message body on a per-group basis. currently, gnus insists on using a charset which is defined in a line like (put-charset-property 'cyrillic-iso8859-5 'preferred-coding-system 'koi8-r) for all cyrillic postings. I'd like to be able to specify a preferred cyrillic charset on a per-group basis (e.g. like gnus-group-posting-charset-alist). this would be useful not only for cyrillic, but also for other languages which have several popular charsets in use. for russian, we have at least five charsets: koi8-r, windows-1251, cp866, mac-cyrillic, iso-8859-5 (there are even more of them: e.g. cp855; the total number of variants is more than 20 different 8-bit cyrillic charsets!). then one may wish to use by default, say, a windows-1251 charset for some newsgroups, and koi8-r otherwise, etc... for european latin-based languages, there are also several charsets in use (e.g., ISO latin-N charsets and windows codepages)... FW> I wonder where that charset is coming from. it is coming from ISO. :-) It was once a russian state standard GOST19768-74, but later, koi8-r (and in some areas, cp866, and then cp1251) was adopted as a de-facto standard. Best regards, -- Vladimir.