From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.general/75046 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Streamlining first-time Gnus usage Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:10 +0100 Organization: Programmerer Ingebrigtsen Message-ID: References: <87oc8ptxks.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87k4jdtxgx.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87ei9jyrg4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1292443911 2921 80.91.229.12 (15 Dec 2010 20:11:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:11:51 +0000 (UTC) To: ding@gnus.org Original-X-From: ding-owner+M23402@lists.math.uh.edu Wed Dec 15 21:11:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxhQ-0000ed-V7 for ding-account@gmane.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxhQ-00049q-1C; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:11:44 -0600 Original-Received: from mx1.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.32]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxhO-00049f-SJ for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:11:42 -0600 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx1.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxh9-0004ps-Rx for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:11:42 -0600 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxh9-0007UG-3w for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:27 +0100 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSxh7-0000VW-Ue for ding@gnus.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:25 +0100 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no ([84.215.34.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:25 +0100 Original-Received: from larsi by cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:11:25 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: ding@gnus.org Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cm-84.215.34.171.getinternet.no Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEVjVkolGhf09vkVCgrj 5PQNAwTY1N63ppURBwcQBQZ6lvrmAAACS0lEQVQ4jXWUwaviMBDGUzx0jx16UK/FP+DJHDZeJfS8 sBT0KhKvfbylub6liOlZhOS/3W/Sqvtkd6hF8ss3XzKZVFmJDr/a2qMxZrsyBk+tajdFos9Q9SI2 EiEMIQ7NFD+MsqW/yd+zR2h/83zeJ1CXfG4gYt9zT1RktBz24TMBrYdzUBnROodXu4D0LQHeID+5 rFyTkJITMFBgSk/zFqBQKv/mvaQC4L5nJsJUQrqixMQ7YAEFyZsIA3oEegSYTRPgu0cCqqVXIIqS qMUm7mCrzAJAp1TuK1hiGBqMKJJdZjSC1ZKH6PtewJtSmXqCHpXTVzEvsD+wh8LHOFwLFGP9NzCb PpUk79w7iUOe8ToB7QeAa3dqxQMZofAJ8D7G4HOnVOFayYUdC2Aebs0+KOXa+akDbpmvI4i7ELzC Ec1tVWENKOKYKiJ+5gK6Q1XZA+ouR8v+Jibu5JwoEDMePo9ItWmg6KW15taOQAPUrDE+sIDCJjJL Hk+gsgJGVoCcBwBKohnrRyskMkslsbyJQ/CemMoi9fDhYwIoVcB5oIBQQCLge/JAN3ukyl0xtr2A 5CFFTN35APoymqNLfrsHcB/sJwWK28MiK1JxVen1ZfTAPjS6oaRyE/ZY4RAS8L65xSunpmNR4+Qu slyPa7MLAtYZb+Q8R4WXiyegvzLJXYPhE+wj5skvxF2D1WODZlzJS+SVMu5kO3nk9j8DDZeffjnX te0hnd6qmoiq5EuBz0W9lXG8ZLQ+AnyNlRD5rLwCIHO0/wHm3wAhHn8AmuQ/D0m/LkIAAAAASUVO RK5CYII= Mail-Copies-To: never X-Now-Playing: Electrelane's _Blue Straggler_: "Blue Straggler" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:FJig0slTvQxx/fs6oxfgf/OAJyc= X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:75046 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > Oh, but what if the user modifies the file, do you refresh? Yes, it checks the timestamp before handing out the cached copy. > I really don't like my secrets in memory outside of the EPA-managed > buffer. So I'm against this change even if it seems to be more > convenient. Better to let EPA cache the results, if it can, or use a > non-encrypted file if you don't like it. I don't really like storing this data in Emacs memory, either, but storing it as plain text files is even more yucky. I think. But only slightly. But if we don't store this data in Emacs memory (by default), then Gnus is basically unusable for a new user. So it's a trade-off. So, if we think that having secrets in memory is better than having them on disk (slightly), then I think this is the best ~/.authinfo.gpg solution so far. But I'd, too, like to see this solved a better way. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen